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Deb wrote:Melissa wrote:Rip Rokken wrote:Working now to get an iPod/iPhone jack rigged up in my car -- it's so much more convenient than hauling around a bunch of CD's.
True, and I love my iPod, but find iTunes to be a pain to work with sometimes. And the car jack thing, my newer '08 car has one, but my '03 doesn't and I use one of those tape adaptors to play my iPod in there, lol.
I have yet to buy a single thing on itunes.I like having the actual CD, I then upload what I want from it onto my IPOD, etc. Yes, I may be old-school, but I like having the cd and all that goes with it. The cover, the booklet, the lyrics, the thankyous, etc. and yes, a lot of times a bonus dvd that comes with. I was just showing somebody the 3D slide sleeve on my limited Japan release of MB's What If... CD, very cool 3D pics front and especially on the back.
S2M wrote:I agree with him on one point. I absolutely LOVED spending my allowance on KISS albums in the 70s. Going to Zayre with my mother, hiding amoungst the clothes racks on her, running around...and finally settling on the record section. Flipping through the KISS albums. My first album was '76's Destroyer. The artwork had me in a trance. Back then, I believe you could get an album for like $7.99. Every other week I'd grab the albums already out, working backwards. Then in '78 - when the solos came out, I was transfixed on Ace's album. Played that bitch so much on my cheap-ass turntable that you could see gouges in the wax....Knew all the words, all the solos(air guitar), and had a lyric sheet on the record sleeve. Rock and Roll Over came with stickers, and a poster of the album artwork that you had to color. Albums kicked ass. Digital music is just convenient. That's all. I'd rather listen to an album with headphones like Motley Bon Whitesnake says....
RPM wrote:Jon Bon Jovi has a point though. While he is completely wrong in blaming Steve Jobs for what has happened to the music industry (let's blame Al Gore instead - didn't he invent the Internet?), buying an album used to be an experience. The album covers were works of art and it was an experience to wait for it to come to the local music store, bring it home, put it on, and listen to it from beginning to end. Or see something that caught your eye because of the cover and the song titles and take a chance. Granted, I was not impressed to buy one and it turned out that I only liked one or two songs and the rest were a disappointment, but that was rare. Apparently I'm old too - I like having something tangible. I buy the CD and download it to my computer, but I keep the original and the insert with the cover!
Monker wrote:RPM wrote:SherriBerry wrote:Jon Bon Jovi has a point though. While he is completely wrong in blaming Steve Jobs for what has happened to the music industry (let's blame Al Gore instead - didn't he invent the Internet?), buying an album used to be an experience. The album covers were works of art and it was an experience to wait for it to come to the local music store, bring it home, put it on, and listen to it from beginning to end. Or see something that caught your eye because of the cover and the song titles and take a chance. Granted, I was not impressed to buy one and it turned out that I only liked one or two songs and the rest were a disappointment, but that was rare. Apparently I'm old too - I like having something tangible. I buy the CD and download it to my computer, but I keep the original and the insert with the cover!
And that was really his point. The other problem is the quality of what people are buying
on itunes is crap. producers and engineers work in 24 bit high res audio, buy the time
it gets to itunes its been compressed and mutilated. so not only has the visual experience
been ruined, the audio has too.
That is EXACTLY his point. People don't go to a 'record store' to buy a CD...they go to iTunes and download it instead. He is absolutely correct about that...and iTunes is at the forefront of that technology. It has destroyed 'albums' as we oldsters knew them. I doubt there will ever be a "Dark Side of the Moon" or "Tommy" ever again. It's about individual singles now...and iTunes popularized it and made it mainstream.
The other thing this has proved is how easy it is on the internet to take a quote out of context and use it to fuel fire for a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT argument. The article Andrew linked to from THIS VERY SITE did this. Shameful.
SherriBerry wrote:Monker wrote:RPM wrote:SherriBerry wrote:Jon Bon Jovi has a point though. While he is completely wrong in blaming Steve Jobs for what has happened to the music industry (let's blame Al Gore instead - didn't he invent the Internet?), buying an album used to be an experience. The album covers were works of art and it was an experience to wait for it to come to the local music store, bring it home, put it on, and listen to it from beginning to end. Or see something that caught your eye because of the cover and the song titles and take a chance. Granted, I was not impressed to buy one and it turned out that I only liked one or two songs and the rest were a disappointment, but that was rare. Apparently I'm old too - I like having something tangible. I buy the CD and download it to my computer, but I keep the original and the insert with the cover!
And that was really his point. The other problem is the quality of what people are buying
on itunes is crap. producers and engineers work in 24 bit high res audio, buy the time
it gets to itunes its been compressed and mutilated. so not only has the visual experience
been ruined, the audio has too.
That is EXACTLY his point. People don't go to a 'record store' to buy a CD...they go to iTunes and download it instead. He is absolutely correct about that...and iTunes is at the forefront of that technology. It has destroyed 'albums' as we oldsters knew them. I doubt there will ever be a "Dark Side of the Moon" or "Tommy" ever again. It's about individual singles now...and iTunes popularized it and made it mainstream.
The other thing this has proved is how easy it is on the internet to take a quote out of context and use it to fuel fire for a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT argument. The article Andrew linked to from THIS VERY SITE did this. Shameful.
I forgot about that - the quality of digital is nowhere near the quality of albums! It wasn't until I found MR that I learned that - I thought CDs were supposed to be the bomb and digital would be more "advanced" than either. Are they even working on improving the sound?
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And yeah like mentioned, the days of albums and tapes did seem like a pain compared to cd's when they came out. Fast forwarding through songs you wanted to skip on tapes WAS a painImagine kids today having to do that, or heaven forbid, ejecting it and flipping it over to play the rest of the songs, *gasp!*
Their fingers might break!
Arianddu wrote:After about 20 minutes, the same student came back in a huff, complaining that half the tracks were missing. It took us a few minutes to realise he didn't know to turn the album over.
verslibre wrote:Arianddu wrote:After about 20 minutes, the same student came back in a huff, complaining that half the tracks were missing. It took us a few minutes to realise he didn't know to turn the album over.
Wotta nimrod!! Even the kiddies know you flip a vinyl rekkid!!
S2M wrote:I agree with him on one point. I absolutely LOVED spending my allowance on KISS albums in the 70s. Going to Zayre with my mother, hiding amoungst the clothes racks on her, running around...and finally settling on the record section. Flipping through the KISS albums. My first album was '76's Destroyer. The artwork had me in a trance. Back then, I believe you could get an album for like $7.99. Every other week I'd grab the albums already out, working backwards. Then in '78 - when the solos came out, I was transfixed on Ace's album. Played that bitch so much on my cheap-ass turntable that you could see gouges in the wax....Knew all the words, all the solos(air guitar), and had a lyric sheet on the record sleeve. Rock and Roll Over came with stickers, and a poster of the album artwork that you had to color. Albums kicked ass. Digital music is just convenient. That's all. I'd rather listen to an album with headphones like Motley Bon Whitesnake says....
S2M wrote:Anyone that says they can tell the difference between 192k and 320k without headphones is lying, or trying to sound important. 96k, maybe....I have limited use for a audiophile/tech snob....
SherriBerry wrote:Monker wrote:RPM wrote:SherriBerry wrote:Jon Bon Jovi has a point though. While he is completely wrong in blaming Steve Jobs for what has happened to the music industry (let's blame Al Gore instead - didn't he invent the Internet?), buying an album used to be an experience. The album covers were works of art and it was an experience to wait for it to come to the local music store, bring it home, put it on, and listen to it from beginning to end. Or see something that caught your eye because of the cover and the song titles and take a chance. Granted, I was not impressed to buy one and it turned out that I only liked one or two songs and the rest were a disappointment, but that was rare. Apparently I'm old too - I like having something tangible. I buy the CD and download it to my computer, but I keep the original and the insert with the cover!
And that was really his point. The other problem is the quality of what people are buying
on itunes is crap. producers and engineers work in 24 bit high res audio, buy the time
it gets to itunes its been compressed and mutilated. so not only has the visual experience
been ruined, the audio has too.
That is EXACTLY his point. People don't go to a 'record store' to buy a CD...they go to iTunes and download it instead. He is absolutely correct about that...and iTunes is at the forefront of that technology. It has destroyed 'albums' as we oldsters knew them. I doubt there will ever be a "Dark Side of the Moon" or "Tommy" ever again. It's about individual singles now...and iTunes popularized it and made it mainstream.
The other thing this has proved is how easy it is on the internet to take a quote out of context and use it to fuel fire for a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT argument. The article Andrew linked to from THIS VERY SITE did this. Shameful.
I forgot about that - the quality of digital is nowhere near the quality of albums! It wasn't until I found MR that I learned that - I thought CDs were supposed to be the bomb and digital would be more "advanced" than either. Are they even working on improving the sound?
RPM wrote:S2M wrote:Anyone that says they can tell the difference between 192k and 320k without headphones is lying, or trying to sound important. 96k, maybe....I have limited use for a audiophile/tech snob....
Your right. they both suck. one just sucks worse than the other.
anyone with a reasonable system can easliy discern between a
24 bit uncompressed file and a 320k
RPM wrote:S2M
Well there in lies the rub, as I said mp3 has its vantage points, but if we are
talking about full quality for your dollar....why not hear it the way producers
and engineers intended it?.......
RPM wrote:SherriBerry wrote:Monker wrote:RPM wrote:SherriBerry wrote:Jon Bon Jovi has a point though. While he is completely wrong in blaming Steve Jobs for what has happened to the music industry (let's blame Al Gore instead - didn't he invent the Internet?), buying an album used to be an experience. The album covers were works of art and it was an experience to wait for it to come to the local music store, bring it home, put it on, and listen to it from beginning to end. Or see something that caught your eye because of the cover and the song titles and take a chance. Granted, I was not impressed to buy one and it turned out that I only liked one or two songs and the rest were a disappointment, but that was rare. Apparently I'm old too - I like having something tangible. I buy the CD and download it to my computer, but I keep the original and the insert with the cover!
And that was really his point. The other problem is the quality of what people are buying
on itunes is crap. producers and engineers work in 24 bit high res audio, buy the time
it gets to itunes its been compressed and mutilated. so not only has the visual experience
been ruined, the audio has too.
That is EXACTLY his point. People don't go to a 'record store' to buy a CD...they go to iTunes and download it instead. He is absolutely correct about that...and iTunes is at the forefront of that technology. It has destroyed 'albums' as we oldsters knew them. I doubt there will ever be a "Dark Side of the Moon" or "Tommy" ever again. It's about individual singles now...and iTunes popularized it and made it mainstream.
The other thing this has proved is how easy it is on the internet to take a quote out of context and use it to fuel fire for a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT argument. The article Andrew linked to from THIS VERY SITE did this. Shameful.
I forgot about that - the quality of digital is nowhere near the quality of albums! It wasn't until I found MR that I learned that - I thought CDs were supposed to be the bomb and digital would be more "advanced" than either. Are they even working on improving the sound?
Well just last week or so, Steve jobs said they are working on a player that would play in 24 bit uncompressed.
Ironically, alot of the Rap producers are pushing for this, I think it will happen, mp3 certainly had its place,
at one time hard drive space was very expensive, and without the compression the ipods would have been
impossible at the price point that was affordable to enough people. That is no longer the case.
S2M wrote:RPM wrote:S2M
Well there in lies the rub, as I said mp3 has its vantage points, but if we are
talking about full quality for your dollar....why not hear it the way producers
and engineers intended it?.......
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RPM wrote:strangegrey wrote:JBJ is a fucking idiot.
Steve Jobs didn't kill the music industry.
Jon Bon Jovi did.
I agree its not Steve Jobs fault, but how is JBJ to blame?
slucero wrote:99.9% of the music buying public doesn't care about audio fidelity anymore or is too young to have ever heard high-quality audio...
strangegrey wrote:RPM wrote:strangegrey wrote:JBJ is a fucking idiot.
Steve Jobs didn't kill the music industry.
Jon Bon Jovi did.
I agree its not Steve Jobs fault, but how is JBJ to blame?
He's contributed to the decline of the music industry by releasing shitty music.
One of my main contentions with the tech-haters...and all of the artists that are crying foul when talking about digital music, is that they are artists that refuse to accept the new paradigm and find ways to make it work for them.
To paint Steve Jobs out to be this evil prick that ruined the industry, must require that if it were someone else as the CEO of Apple, it wouldn't have happened. That Steve Jobs, in his evil ways, set out to destroy some part of the entertainment industry...in this case music...and its pure fucking bullshit. an excuse to people that have seen their profit margins shrink due to the changing winds.
The fact of the matter, if it not for Jobs, it would have been someone else...because MP3s were a tsunami hitting the music industry, irrespective of Jobs. Jobs just made them more accessible.. He only sped up the process.
I still contend that the music industry is trying to use digital music as a convenient excuse for the real problems in the music industry....among those problems are poor accounting/profit models and crappy/piss poor A&R. The later is where JBJ is responsible, in part. He hasn't released a good song in over a decade. Why blame Steve Jobs when he should look in the fucking mirror!
Ironic, given the fact that JBJ's guitarist was one of the first artists to call attention to the fact that labels no longer spent any time on developing an artist. it was Richie Sambora who said in an interview, around the time of Crush's release, that had Bon Jovi been first signed in the late 90s, they would have been dropped from their label by their second album. If you think back, Bon Jovi didn't really hit until Slippery When Wet, which was their 3rd album.
To put it bluntly, artists are not given a chance these days. Labels do NOT want to absorb risk...at all....and that forces bands these days to hit it, fast and hard.
iTunes wouldn't have worked in the 60s-80s anymore than today's artists would have fit into the 60s-80s.
JBJ is just an old fuck who can't accept the change in paradigm.
That, and he actually has to work for his money these days....instead of back in the 80s, where he was spraying aquanet on his head and looking like he's going to blow andrew dice clay, while the camera takes pictures of him.
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