City of Hope single to be released April 4th??

by **S2M** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:08 am

I gotta admit, the song is sounding pretty sweet....please don't make me eat crow....

DAMN!

by **SultanOfSwing** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:09 am

Andrew wrote:
SultanOfSwing wrote:A 30 second clip from their new album Eclipse, City of Hope. Hmmm.. looks like someone leaked this on YT? The quality is really good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czq57FcE ... ideo_title

They stole that from my frontpage.

I guess nobody from this forum read your frontpage. :lol:

by **Saint John** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:17 am

S2M wrote:I gotta admit, the song is sounding pretty sweet....please don't make me eat crow....

DAMN!

Good boy.

by **S2M** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:18 am

Saint John wrote:
S2M wrote:I gotta admit, the song is sounding pretty sweet....please don't make me eat crow....

DAMN!

Good boy.

How did you know, fukker!? :lol:

SHIT! those damn emoticons..... :evil:

by **Saint John** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:19 am

S2M wrote:
Saint John wrote:
S2M wrote:I gotta admit, the song is sounding pretty sweet....please don't make me eat crow....

DAMN!

Good boy.

How did you know, fukker!?

lol ... funny story. I had my laptop at an angle and I could see the white lettering clearly.

by **Andrew** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:28 am

READ THE BLOODY FRONTPAGE EVERY DAY PEOPLE - YOU MIGHT JUST LEARN SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!

by **Jana** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:29 am

S2M wrote:I gotta admit, the song is sounding pretty sweet....please don't make me eat crow....

DAMN

LOL

by **Jana** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:31 am

Andrew wrote:READ THE BLOODY FRONTPAGE EVERY DAY PEOPLE - YOU MIGHT JUST LEARN SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!

I did, but I couldn't never make it play. I was missing something on my computer to play it, an update. I've been waiting for it to hit YouTube.

by **S2M** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:31 am

Jana wrote:
S2M wrote:I gotta admit, the song is sounding pretty sweet....please don't make me eat crow....

DAMN

LOL

I got nothing to say to you....

by **Escape Artist** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:32 am

S2M wrote:I gotta admit, the song is sounding pretty sweet....please don't make me eat crow.... [/color]

DAMN!

Atta boy! Welcome to the dark side! :lol:

by **Saint John** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:33 am

Listening to that clip it's quite easy to figure out why Journey told Kevin Shirley to go blow a goat. This David Kalmusky guy actually knows how to stack vocals and utilize technology. The sonic sounds excellent.

by **Escape Artist** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:35 am

Saint John wrote:Listening to that clip it's quite easy to figure out why Journey told Kevin Shirley to go blow a goat. This David Kalmusky guy actually knows how to stack vocals and utilize technology. The sonic sounds excellent.

I agree... Shirley's stuff is lacking.

by **S2M** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:39 am

Saint John wrote:Listening to that clip it's quite easy to figure out why Journey told Kevin Shirley to go blow a goat. This David Kalmusky guy actually knows how to stack vocals and utilize technology. The sonic sounds excellent.

This is where you lose me. Revelation was the exact same thing as Infinity-Escape....but that was ok. What's the difference? That stuff was sonically ok, taking into consideration the current technology of the time.....but suddenly Revelation wasn't?

by **Jana** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:40 am

Escape Artist wrote:
S2M wrote:I gotta admit, the song is sounding pretty sweet....please don't make me eat crow.... [/color]

DAMN!

Atta boy! Welcome to the dark side!

LOL You outed S2M.

by **SultanOfSwing** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:42 am

Andrew wrote:READ THE BLOODY FRONTPAGE EVERY DAY PEOPLE - YOU MIGHT JUST LEARN SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!

So where are the rest of the clips Andrew? Can you throw us some bones here.

by **Jana** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:43 am

Escape Artist wrote:
Saint John wrote:Listening to that clip it's quite easy to figure out why Journey told Kevin Shirley to go blow a goat. This David Kalmusky guy actually knows how to stack vocals and utilize technology. The sonic sounds excellent.

I agree... Shirley's stuff is lacking.

And, boy, was he sour grapes a couple of times in his interview with Andrew. I was worried about the album, as he wasn't exactly shouting its greatness from the rooftops, focusing more on the disagreements between Neal and Jon, but then I realized his ego was involved in them going elsewhere, and that's what the attitude was about, not the quality of the music.

by **Saint John** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:56 am

S2M wrote:
Saint John wrote:Listening to that clip it's quite easy to figure out why Journey told Kevin Shirley to go blow a goat. This David Kalmusky guy actually knows how to stack vocals and utilize technology. The sonic sounds excellent.

This is where you lose me. Revelation was the exact same thing as Infinity-Escape....but that was ok. What's the difference? That stuff was sonically ok, taking into consideration the current technology of the time.....but suddenly Revelation wasn't?

The day I heard the Revelation songs live I knew he did a shit job ... and said as much. The songs were flat and the instruments sounded dead. I think it was too compressed and it lost much of the original creativity. Escape is a great record, but it's certainly not because of the production job. It's not bad, but it's not great. The clip sounded much fuller and more powerful ... kinda like Frontiers.

by **RocknRoll** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:29 am

Andrew wrote:READ THE BLOODY FRONTPAGE EVERY DAY PEOPLE - YOU MIGHT JUST LEARN SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wonder if people know all they have to do is click on the melodicrock.com logo at the top of this forum and it takes you right to the front page. Imagine That

by **kgdjpubs** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:37 pm

Jana wrote:
Andrew wrote:READ THE BLOODY FRONTPAGE EVERY DAY PEOPLE - YOU MIGHT JUST LEARN SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!

I did, but I couldn't never make it play. I was missing something on my computer to play it, an update. I've been waiting for it to hit YouTube.

pretty easy. Right click. Save as. Open file and play. Simple--I think.

by **superreverb** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:21 pm

I think Shirley had a part in the mixing too, they were all sending Mixes back and forth from what I read, and Kevin was contributing input from the producers chair.

However it was actually done??? from the little bit I can hear, it sounds like an incredible, big, extremely well mixed rock album, really blowing the doors (As I've posted in other posts), off of other, current albums in my iTunes - it's not just a great sounding mix for Journey.... it's a great sounding track for "Rock music" in general, it finally sits with journey melodies, playing, and style / Sound, but it competes and kicks in a Modern sense. Not just Neals Guitars, but Cain's Keys, The Background vocals, Arnel is out of this world, Neal sounds as big as he does Live.... Maybe bigger. Maybe they should take that Kalmusky guy on the road with them to mix the shows

But have Ross's Bass and Deen's drums EVER sounded so good on recording??? not close -

Don't meant to gush, I will remind you I was BASHING the new stuff out of the gate, AND the clip when I heard it on my Laptop Speakers, without a fair reference.

It's when the clip came on, on Shuffle, days later, in my iTunes Library fed Stereo at work, that it sounded like some magic little gremlin walked over, and WAY dialed in my iTunes, and cranked it up a bit, kicked the whole thing alive. Something else came on after it, and my stereo actually sounded "Broken" in comparison.

I gotta believe that's Neal, and Cain, getting what "THEY" want in the Mix room, and they, from listening to this, and the last few records in comparison, DEFINITELY need to mix their own records with this guy. They GOT the Vocals, BGV's, Huge Guitars Keys, Drums, kicking ass aggressively, and you can hear everything.

Good job on the clip !! ANDREW.... LETS HERE MORE!!!

by **VirgilTheart** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:02 pm

I'll admit, the first time I heard "City of Hope" I wasn't too impressed (though "Resonate" and "Chain of Love" both were instant faves). But CoH started to grow on me, and based from what I've heard on the 30 sec sample, I'm gonna like it a lot. :twisted:

by **Melissa** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:41 pm

Andrew wrote:READ THE BLOODY FRONTPAGE EVERY DAY PEOPLE - YOU MIGHT JUST LEARN SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well some of us DO. lol

I like it so far. Some parts of the keys sound a teensy bit overdone to me, but sounds like a good song so far.

by **NoMoreTails** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:43 pm

superreverb wrote:Maybe they should take that Kalmusky guy on the road with them to mix the shows

They are, per Neal or Jon from a recent interview. Apparently Kevin Elson is out.

superreverb wrote:But have Ross's Bass and Deen's drums EVER sounded so good on recording???

Neal is on record somewhere as being disappointed with the drum sound as recorded by Kevin Shirley (Arrival and/or Revelations) although they sounded great in the room at the time.

by **Intell** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:17 am

G.I.Jim wrote:
JSS Rocks! wrote:
Monker wrote:
Saint John wrote:
mgstar1964 wrote: but after seeing 2 very mediocre releases (Red 13 and Generations)

Mediocre?!? Those 2 albums were absolute trash. Women could have used any clip off of either album as a fucking rape whistle.

And, Revelation was no better....just as mediocre with nothing new or unique or interesting....just a modern reflection of nostalgia for DSB and the Escape/Frontier years.

So, with two mediocre albums, and one half-baked EP, I don't see why expecting a ;'fart' for Eclipse is that unreasonable.

I'll wait to judge until I hear it...but, some of you people are way over-hyping it.

I have to slightly disagree about Revelation...Aside from the "paint by numbers" opening track, there is some good stuff on there.

Did you pack your "angry eyes"?

You're going to make someone angry... and you wouldn't want to see him when he's angry.

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:31 am

NoMoreTails wrote:They are, per Neal or Jon from a recent interview. Apparently Kevin Elson is out.

I believe Kalumsky has reccomended a guy to take on the road with them. Kalumsky helped with the first night or so.

by **Tito** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:37 am

Andrew wrote:Dude, you are playing a game. Everyone knows it, I know it, you know it. I don't give two shits what you think of the 5 YouTube clips. Or the whole album when you actually get it May 24. Just stop bursting into every thread to re-state your opposition. Lame.

Better late than never I guess. But, Andrew where was this attitude/enforcement 3 or 4 years ago? :wink:

by **Michigan Girl** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:42 am

Tito wrote:
Andrew wrote:Dude, you are playing a game. Everyone knows it, I know it, you know it. I don't give two shits what you think of the 5 YouTube clips. Or the whole album when you actually get it May 24. Just stop bursting into every thread to re-state your opposition. Lame.

Better late than never I guess. But, Andrew where was this attitude/enforcement 3 or 4 years ago?

It was there ...directed at Tito vs JSS in every thread!! :wink:

by **Lerxst101** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:43 am

NoMoreTails wrote:
superreverb wrote:Maybe they should take that Kalmusky guy on the road with them to mix the shows

They are, per Neal or Jon from a recent interview. Apparently Kevin Elson is out.

superreverb wrote:But have Ross's Bass and Deen's drums EVER sounded so good on recording???

Neal is on record somewhere as being disappointed with the drum sound as recorded by Kevin Shirley (Arrival and/or Revelations) although they sounded great in the room at the time.

I'd be surprised. I know Jason Bonham and other drumers have gushed over Kevin's typical treatment of drum tracks. I thought Deen himself was blown away by sound from one of sessions. Could be wrong, but I thought I read that. Anyway, I love the Caveman's typical recording and production style. But he definitely has an approach that is not loved by all. I've read enough critiques to recognize that it's not for everyone. And with the complexity of these sessions, it sounds like the mixes required someone who could devote a lot of time and effort to get them right, and Kevin just didn't have that time (or energy?). Looking forward to listening to these tunes on more than just my little JBL computer speakers.

by **NoMoreTails** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:46 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
NoMoreTails wrote:They are, per Neal or Jon from a recent interview. Apparently Kevin Elson is out.

I believe Kalumsky has reccomended a guy to take on the road with them. Kalumsky helped with the first night or so.

I see...I don't know if I misread or just haven't heard the latest. I suppose it makes sense he would be working the studio rather than be on the road the biggest part of two years. So what happened with Elson? Did he commit to someone else since Journey had a year off or did they just decide to make a change?

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:47 am

NoMoreTails wrote:I see...I don't know if I misread or just haven't heard the latest. I suppose it makes sense he would be working the studio rather than be on the road the biggest part of two years. So what happened with Elson? Did he commit to someone else since Journey had a year off or did they just decide to make a change?

No idea. Elson was an integral part of the Journey family for awhile. As for Kalumsky not going on the road....I read that on here. I'll see if I can dig it up.

MR

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