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[StElmoQn]

Just a retweet from something that made me chuckle on Twitter yesterday:

TheDaveCarlson: Watching Journey on Palladia and it still feels weird that it's not Steve Perry. He's good but it's like replacing sex with a sex toy.
about 17 hours ago via web


Comments???

[Michigan Girl]

Just a retweet from something that made me chuckle on Twitter yesterday:

TheDaveCarlson: Watching Journey on Palladia and it still feels weird that it's not Steve Perry. He's good but it's like replacing sex with a sex toy.
about 17 hours ago via web


Comments???

Geeeezuz, why didn't I come up w/that?!?! I said it's like
being celibate ...but yes I love ^^^^ I will use it!!

[StElmoQn]

I think it's the best analogy I've seen yet. It definitely gets the POINT across doesn't it?

[Saint John]

I guess it boils down to sticking your dick into a 90 year old former bombshell or a really good looking 30 year old. I don't give a shit about how good someone used to look. Give me that 30 year old.

[StElmoQn]

I guess it boils down to sticking your dick into a 90 year old former bombshell or a really good looking 30 year old. I don't give a shit about how good someone used to look. Give me that 30 year old.

Some like diamonds, and some like cubic zirconias. There is a big difference in the two, but if you like toys instead of the real deal, go play on that other board that worships the 30 year old "toy"!

It has been said that women fall in love through their ears and men through their eyes BUT...


I would rather have a disembodied head singing/talking tender nothings to me than a great body saying nothing.

[Saint John]

Pineda sings circles around Nostrildamus after about 1986. Nostrildamus was the best ever from 1980-1986, but chose not to take care of himself along the way. And because of that, he's done.

[Deb]

Pineda sings circles around Nostrildamus after about 1986. Nostrildamus was the best ever from 1980-1986, but chose not to take care of himself along the way. And because of that, he's done.

Are you effing kidding me? I'd take his '94 vocals http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TaSuWUdKCU any day of the week and 3 times on Sunday.......over Pineda's or damn near anybody elses. For me it's all about the tone and delivery, have never really cared about vocal range, and he has lost NONE of his unique delivery.

[Saint John]

Pineda sings circles around Nostrildamus after about 1986. Nostrildamus was the best ever from 1980-1986, but chose not to take care of himself along the way. And because of that, he's done.

Are you effing kidding me? I'd take his '94 vocals http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TaSuWUdKCU any day of the week and 3 times on Sunday.......over Pineda's or damn near anybody elses. For me it's all about the tone and delivery, have never really cared about vocal range, and he has lost NONE of his unique delivery.

lol ... the guy couldn't even deliver the word "two" and had to sing "toe." Not to mention he hasd to rephrase virtually the entire song because his voice was on fumes. No power, not much range and the inability to phrase properly. It sounds like he's dying at the 3 minute mark:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ar38qpRZjA

And this doesn't even include all of the songs that he simply couldn't sing anymore ... so he didn't try.

[FezzyChic]

[Babyblue]

:lol:
Had to sound in on this!!

That video is such a poor, distorted quality of sound!!
To weigh in Steve on that standard of poor quality is
nonsense! Any Artist including Arnel Pineda would sound
terrible!

I saw Steve on FTLOSM tour and he was so much more
mature emotionally, He moved with conviction of his
heart and made his moves in tune with his heart! His
voice reflected the embodiment of wisdom and soul,
much more captivating to me than the worn out
routines of the previous latter years with Journey!!

Steve toured on FTLOSM with the flu. Performing
with laryngitis and running around the country
singing when he should not have! I got that info
from a merch girl who sold me a letter jacket
It could not have been a walk in the park to tour sick!!

Enjoy......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QRTbL3K8LI

Thank You

[Frontiers65]

:lol:
Had to sound in on this!!

That video is such a poor, distorted quality of sound!!
To weigh in Steve on that standard of poor quality is
nonsense! Any Artist including Arnel Pineda would sound
terrible!

I saw Steve on FTLOSM tour and he was so much more
mature emotionally, He moved with conviction of his
heart and made his moves in tune with his heart! His
voice reflected the embodiment of wisdom and soul,
much more captivating to me than the worn out
routines of the previous latter years with Journey!!

Steve toured on FTLOSM with the flu. Performing
with laryngitis and running around the country
singing when he should not have! I got that info
from a merch girl who sold me a letter jacket
It could not have been a walk in the park to tour sick!!

Enjoy......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QRTbL3K8LI

I also saw him on that tour here in seattle. He did an amazing job! These youtube stuff is not at all to what he sounded like live!

[Saint John]

:lol:
Had to sound in on this!!

That video is such a poor, distorted quality of sound!!
To weigh in Steve on that standard of poor quality is
nonsense! Any Artist including Arnel Pineda would sound
terrible!

I saw Steve on FTLOSM tour and he was so much more
mature emotionally, He moved with conviction of his
heart and made his moves in tune with his heart! His
voice reflected the embodiment of wisdom and soul,
much more captivating to me than the worn out
routines of the previous latter years with Journey!!

Steve toured on FTLOSM with the flu. Performing
with laryngitis and running around the country
singing when he should not have! I got that info
from a merch girl who sold me a letter jacket
It could not have been a walk in the park to tour sick!!

Enjoy......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QRTbL3K8LI

I love how the beginning of your delusional tangent focuses on how the quality of the performance can't be judged, but, at the end, you then start making excuses for him. You basically admitted that the performance sucked, but are too fucking stupid to even realize it. Thanks for the laugh. Bye.

[slucero]

Pineda sings circles around Nostrildamus after about 1986. Nostrildamus was the best ever from 1980-1986, but chose not to take care of himself along the way. And because of that, he's done.

No one sings the Journey catalog for long without having a serious regimen you doofus...

Perry took immaculate care of his voice... in fact he was called "aloof and distant" because of that regimen... no talking before the show... no talking after... or maybe you are too young to remember... and note Arnels "new and improved" voice... from having voice lessons and regimen..

Lets hear how well AP's voice holds up after he does as many Journey gigs as Perry did... So far AP has 458 to go to equal Perry... and he's already doing fewer average gigs per tour than Perry ever did... that must be the "handicap" for his age...

[Rhiannon]

Lets hear how well AP's voice holds up after he does as many Journey gigs as Perry did... So far AP has 458 to go to equal Perry... and he's already doing fewer average gigs per tour than Perry ever did... that must be the "handicap" for his age...

To be fair though, it's not like Arnel came into Journey having never sung live before. He did his fair share of gigging. While it may not have been as intense as a full blown tour with the catalog and the scale he has with Journey, per se... the environmental/situational stresses should count for something, too.

Not arguing with you so much as I am pointing out the bias in the chart. Chart itself is pretty cool, though.

[slucero]

Lets hear how well AP's voice holds up after he does as many Journey gigs as Perry did... So far AP has 458 to go to equal Perry... and he's already doing fewer average gigs per tour than Perry ever did... that must be the "handicap" for his age...

To be fair though, it's not like Arnel came into Journey having never sung live before. He did his fair share of gigging. While it may not have been as intense as a full blown tour with the catalog and the scale he has with Journey, per se... the environmental/situational stresses should count for something, too.

Not arguing with you so much as I am pointing out the bias in the chart. Chart itself is pretty cool, though.

Absolutely true... and the same could be said for Perry.... he was a singer before Journey as well.. and his band the Sullies was nearly signed... so pressure and gigs were no stranger to SP... in fact I'd call AP and SP's pre-Journey experiences a "draw"....

and by no means am I putting AP down... just calling out Dan on his idiotic statement...

[Loneman1]

Lets hear how well AP's voice holds up after he does as many Journey gigs as Perry did... So far AP has 458 to go to equal Perry... and he's already doing fewer average gigs per tour than Perry ever did... that must be the "handicap" for his age...

To be fair though, it's not like Arnel came into Journey having never sung live before. He did his fair share of gigging. While it may not have been as intense as a full blown tour with the catalog and the scale he has with Journey, per se... the environmental/situational stresses should count for something, too.

Not arguing with you so much as I am pointing out the bias in the chart. Chart itself is pretty cool, though.

Absolutely true... and the same could be said for Perry.... he was a singer before Journey as well.. and his band the Sullies was nearly signed... so pressure and gigs were no stranger to SP... in fact I'd call AP and SP's pre-Journey experiences a "draw"....

and by no means am I putting AP down... just calling out Dan on his idiotic statement...

Assuming you meant "Alien Project".

Cool timeline BTW...........been awhile since I've been around here.

[Babyblue]

Lets hear how well AP's voice holds up after he does as many Journey gigs as Perry did... So far AP has 458 to go to equal Perry... and he's already doing fewer average gigs per tour than Perry ever did... that must be the "handicap" for his age...

To be fair though, it's not like Arnel came into Journey having never sung live before. He did his fair share of gigging. While it may not have been as intense as a full blown tour with the catalog and the scale he has with Journey, per se... the environmental/situational stresses should count for something, too.

Not arguing with you so much as I am pointing out the bias in the chart. Chart itself is pretty cool, though.

Absolutely true... and the same could be said for Perry.... he was a singer before Journey as well.. and his band the Sullies was nearly signed... so pressure and gigs were no stranger to SP... in fact I'd call AP and SP's pre-Journey experiences a "draw"....

and by no means am I putting AP down... just calling out Dan on his idiotic statement...

Assuming you meant "Alien Project".

Cool timeline BTW...........been awhile since I've been around here.

[slucero]

Lets hear how well AP's voice holds up after he does as many Journey gigs as Perry did... So far AP has 458 to go to equal Perry... and he's already doing fewer average gigs per tour than Perry ever did... that must be the "handicap" for his age...

To be fair though, it's not like Arnel came into Journey having never sung live before. He did his fair share of gigging. While it may not have been as intense as a full blown tour with the catalog and the scale he has with Journey, per se... the environmental/situational stresses should count for something, too.

Not arguing with you so much as I am pointing out the bias in the chart. Chart itself is pretty cool, though.

Absolutely true... and the same could be said for Perry.... he was a singer before Journey as well.. and his band the Sullies was nearly signed... so pressure and gigs were no stranger to SP... in fact I'd call AP and SP's pre-Journey experiences a "draw"....

and by no means am I putting AP down... just calling out Dan on his idiotic statement...

Assuming you meant "Alien Project".

Cool timeline BTW...........been awhile since I've been around here.

whoops ya.. I meant Alien Project...

[Saint John]

Perry took immaculate care of his voice... in fact he was called "aloof and distant" because of that regimen... no talking before the show... no talking after...

lol ... I seem to remember he and Jon doing interviews with wine glasses in their hands, a ripped New Year's Eve tirade and it's pretty well rumored that he's been in AA for many, many years. Wonder why. But you go on believing what you want, pal. And I won't even mention Herbie's story about him extorting people's blow.

[slucero]

Perry took immaculate care of his voice... in fact he was called "aloof and distant" because of that regimen... no talking before the show... no talking after...

lol ... I seem to remember he and Jon doing interviews with wine glasses in their hands, a ripped New Year's Eve tirade and it's pretty well rumored that he's been in AA for many, many years. Wonder why. But you go on believing what you want, pal. And I won't even mention Herbie's story about him extorting people's blow.

.right... you try and counter empirical data with..

1. Herbie - the man who just looooved Perry....
2. Interviews with wine glasses in their hands
3. "rumors" that he's been in AA for many, many years.


Weak.

[Saint John]

Perry took immaculate care of his voice... in fact he was called "aloof and distant" because of that regimen... no talking before the show... no talking after...

lol ... I seem to remember he and Jon doing interviews with wine glasses in their hands, a ripped New Year's Eve tirade and it's pretty well rumored that he's been in AA for many, many years. Wonder why. But you go on believing what you want, pal. And I won't even mention Herbie's story about him extorting people's blow.

.right... you try and counter empirical data with..

1. Herbie - the man who just looooved Perry....
2. Interviews with wine glasses in their hands
3. "rumors" that he's been in AA for many, many years.


Weak.

And I'm assuming you believe that the dramatic change in his voice from Escape to frontiers was just natural, huh? Goof.

[slucero]

Perry took immaculate care of his voice... in fact he was called "aloof and distant" because of that regimen... no talking before the show... no talking after...

lol ... I seem to remember he and Jon doing interviews with wine glasses in their hands, a ripped New Year's Eve tirade and it's pretty well rumored that he's been in AA for many, many years. Wonder why. But you go on believing what you want, pal. And I won't even mention Herbie's story about him extorting people's blow.

.right... you try and counter empirical data with..

1. Herbie - the man who just looooved Perry....
2. Interviews with wine glasses in their hands
3. "rumors" that he's been in AA for many, many years.


Weak.

And I'm assuming you believe that the dramatic change in his voice from Escape to frontiers was just natural, huh? Goof.

Perry blew his voice out.. that's obvious... Arnel blew his voice out too, and almost gave up singing for good... so what.. Steven Tyler did it too.. after YEARS of drugs, alcohol.. it's what singers do from time to time... get over it..

Perry's vocal "change" It has more to do with the cumulative and natural wear and tear of having to sing ever more difficult Journey songs... 5 years, 529 gigs worth, in the original key... from 1977 to 1982.... than it has to do with your moronic, unproven allegations...

I get that you hate Perry for leaving the band in a lurch... shit SO DO I... but trying to elevate AP to be equal to Perry BEFORE AP even puts in the same amount of time, carrying the same workload only makes you look as narrow-minded and whiney as the Loons you so despise... Pull yer head out dude...

[Babyblue]

Hateing Perry will get you no where.

[Saint John]

Perry's vocal "change" It has more to do with the cumulative and natural wear and tear of having to sing ever more difficult Journey songs... 5 years, 529 gigs worth, in the original key... from 1977 to 1982.... than it has to do with your moronic, unproven allegations...

That's definitely a part of it, but I can't see it being the main reason he can't sing anymore. And it's certainly not the reason for the seemingly irreversible damage. Singing a lot just doesn't do that and rest would have brought about healing. Natural wear and tear? I just don't think so. And I suspect that's why Arnel's voice came back ... and his didn't.

trying to elevate AP to be equal to Perry BEFORE AP even puts in the same amount of time only makes you look as narrow-minded and whiney as the Loons you so despise... Pull yer head out dude...

Follow along, stupid. I said Arnel sings circles around Perry post-1986.

PS Pineda was doing 200+ gigs that lasted 3-5 hours per night in smokey rooms for about a decade and he's singing better than ever at almost 45. So stuff the excuses.

[Saint John]

Hateing Perry will get you no where.

Close your blower, moron.

[slucero]

Perry's vocal "change" It has more to do with the cumulative and natural wear and tear of having to sing ever more difficult Journey songs... 5 years, 529 gigs worth, in the original key... from 1977 to 1982.... than it has to do with your moronic, unproven allegations...

That's definitely a part of it, but I can't see it being the main reason he can't sing anymore. And it's certainly not the reason for the seemingly irreversible damage. Singing a lot just doesn't do that and rest would have brought about healing. Natural wear and tear? I just don't think so. And I suspect that's why Arnel's voice came back ... and his didn't.

Arnels voice came back the 1st time cause he quit singing.. it has come back with Journey cause he's gotten training and has a regimen... he's even said as much..

... and Arnel hasn't sung the catalog for 5 years yet... has he?

trying to elevate AP to be equal to Perry BEFORE AP even puts in the same amount of time only makes you look as narrow-minded and whiney as the Loons you so despise... Pull yer head out dude...

Follow along, stupid. I said Arnel sings circles around Perry post-1986.

PS Pineda was doing 200+ gigs that lasted 3-5 hours per night in smokey rooms for about a decade and he's singing better than ever at almost 45. So stuff the excuses.

Follow along doofus... Nelly hasn't done the work yet... Have Nelly do 528 Journey gigs - then compare him to Perry post '86. He'll be just as ragged... until then there's no comparison...

Journey is already tuning down during gigs... something I never recalled hearing in the Perry era...

PS Pineda was doing 200+ gigs that lasted 3-5 hours per night in smokey rooms for about a decade and he's singing better than ever at almost 45. So stuff the excuses.

Um.. you don't know that... got a schedule you'd care to post... or is that just you guess-timatin' again... no facts just hot air... still weak...

Again... once Nelly has the equivalent Journey gigs (458) under his belt you can stroke yer cock all you want... until then you just get to dream about it...

[Saint John]

Um.. you don't know that... got a schedule you'd care to post... or is that just you guess-timatin' again... no facts just hot air... still weak...

I guess the people who were there that talk about it and all of the clips going around the net are just all made up. Whatever.

Again... once Nelly has the equivalent Journey gigs (458) under his belt you can stroke yer cock all you want... until then you just get to dream about it...

His voice has far more miles on it than Perry's had before he quit and he's still singing as well as ever. Perhaps better. Just face the fact that the guy ran his voice into the ground by abusing it. I suspect that's why he has to put his head down on the console when he helps master the old shows. He blew it ... literally. And that's not to take away from the spectacular years and incredible contributions. But you have to take the bad with the good.

[slucero]

Um.. you don't know that... got a schedule you'd care to post... or is that just you guess-timatin' again... no facts just hot air... still weak...

I guess the people who were there that talk about it and all of the clips going around the net are just all made up. Whatever.

Right... 200 plus gigs per year for over a decade.... thats 2000 gigs.... most in karaoke bars.. not the same pressure as singing in front of 75,000 paying customers...

further.. "all those clips"... maybe 100 of him singing back in the day...

Again... once Nelly has the equivalent Journey gigs (458) under his belt you can stroke yer cock all you want... until then you just get to dream about it...

His voice has far more miles on it than Perry's had before he quit and he's still singing as well as ever. Perhaps better. Just face the fact that the guy ran his voice into the ground by abusing it. I suspect that's why he has to put his head down on the console when he helps master the old shows. He blew it ... literally. And that's not to take away from the spectacular years and incredible contributions. But you have to take the bad with the good.

I agree he's singing better than ever... good vocal training rest and regimen will do that...

LIke I said.. I agree Perry blew his voice out... but my POINT was your comparison of AP to Perry post '86 - which doesn't hold water because AP hasn't sung the catalog as long as Perry DID... if Nelly is singing the catalog in the original key 4 years from now, you get the star... and I'll agree with you.. until then your opinion is unsupportable.

[Saint John]

Ok, Slucero, let's agree to disagree and call it a day. But I'd like to clarify one thing. I never "compared" Perry post-1986 to current day Arnel. I merely made the observation, reasons aside, that Arnel is a better singer than Perry was at that point in time. Should I even go so gfar as to concede the point to you that we were debating, I still don't think it changes the fact that Perry's voice was in such a state that he couldn't sing the songs in their original key and had to completely cut out a good portion ... even though they were already a half step down. Doesn't that pretty much validate my point (reasons aside)?

[slucero]

Ok, Slucero, let's agree to disagree and call it a day. But I'd like to clarify one thing. I never "compared" Perry post-1986 to current day Arnel. I merely made the observation, reasons aside, that Arnel is a better singer than Perry was at that point in time. Should I even go so gfar as to concede the point to you that we were debating, I still don't think it changes the fact that Perry's voice was in such a state that he couldn't sing the songs in their original key and had to completely cut out a good portion ... even though they were already a half step down. Doesn't that pretty much validate my point (reasons aside)?

Again... no... because Arnel hasn't sung those same songs for the same period of time...

Perry = an orange = he sang the catalog for 5 years

Arnel = an apple = he hasn't sung the catalog for 5 years yet... when has... he can be considered an "orange" for the context you use... and compared to other oranges...