Bin Laden Dead!!!!!!

[donnaplease]

If you read my earlier post, you'll see that Obama COMPLETELY changed course in the approach to combating global terrorism. It was BECAUSE of the change in tactics that we were able to track the murderous bastard down. That's how we should have done it in the first place.

Gotta call BULLSHIT on this one, Daniel. What do you perceive that he did differently? Close Guantanamo? Nope. Try the accused terrorists in a civilian court? Uh oh. Leave Afghanistan? Not yet. What he did (and this is confirmed by BOTH sides) is continue to act on information that was obtained years ago. If you are referring to his world 'apology' tour then yes, I would agree that that is a change in course from the previous administration.

Look, I understand the need to revise what he said on the campaign trail once he got into office. I think he did the right thing by doing so. I respect him for it. My gripe is his arrogance on the campaign trail (and sometimes since) acting like he had all the answers and saying what the far left wanted to hear just to get their votes. Again, it's a far different world once you're wearing the hat of the most powerful man in the world. I hope he has learned something from it, but from the looks of his speech yesterday pandering to the hispanic vote, I somehow don't think so.

[Seven Wishes2]

Gotta call BULLSHIT on this one, Daniel. What do you perceive that he did differently? Close Guantanamo? Nope. Try the accused terrorists in a civilian court? Uh oh. Leave Afghanistan? Not yet. What he did (and this is confirmed by BOTH sides) is continue to act on information that was obtained years ago. If you are referring to his world 'apology' tour then yes, I would agree that that is a change in course from the previous administration.

If you actually took time to read the article you would see that the CIA gleaned almost all of its actionable intelligence from information obtained from detainees using methods that did not violate the Geneva convention. The entire approach on dealing with terrorism as a whole, and with Bin Laden in particular, was a complete 180 from the methodologies employed by the prior Administration.

Regurgitating ignorant statements made by Limbaugh and O'Reilly does not make you correct when they're distorting or lying.

[Saint John]

If you actually took time to read the article you would see that the CIA gleaned almost all of its actionable intelligence from information obtained from detainees using methods that did not violate the Geneva convention.

If the CIA told you they tickled their balls with feathers and fed them ice cream would you believe them?

[SF-Dano]

If you actually took time to read the article you would see that the CIA gleaned almost all of its actionable intelligence from information obtained from detainees using methods that did not violate the Geneva convention.

If the CIA told you they tickled their balls with feathers and fed them ice cream would you believe them?

Exactly. Do you think that BO, his administration, or any of his current talking heads are going to volunteer that the info was procured by any other means than those outwardly approved by the current adminstration. If the info was received as a result of water boarding or any other type of torture, BO and his boys are not going to come out and tell you that.

[donnaplease]

Gotta call BULLSHIT on this one, Daniel. What do you perceive that he did differently? Close Guantanamo? Nope. Try the accused terrorists in a civilian court? Uh oh. Leave Afghanistan? Not yet. What he did (and this is confirmed by BOTH sides) is continue to act on information that was obtained years ago. If you are referring to his world 'apology' tour then yes, I would agree that that is a change in course from the previous administration.

If you actually took time to read the article you would see that the CIA gleaned almost all of its actionable intelligence from information obtained from detainees using methods that did not violate the Geneva convention. The entire approach on dealing with terrorism as a whole, and with Bin Laden in particular, was a complete 180 from the methodologies employed by the prior Administration.

Regurgitating ignorant statements made by Limbaugh and O'Reilly does not make you correct when they're distorting or lying.

You crack me up. Do you belong to some club or website somewhere that teaches you to throw that whole Limbaugh/Beck/O'Reilly crap out there to try to detract from the discussion? Seriously, so many of you guys do it. If it's not individuals it's Fox News or the WSJ. It's really rather lame.

Didn't you just a few posts up compliment Bill O'Reilly? And BTW, I don't know what article you're referring to. I have gotten my info from radio and tv news (F&F, Morning Joe, Hardball, Hannity, GMA, O'Reilly, and that freak that follows Matthews. I don't get a chance to listen to Limbaugh anymore, but I'd like to hear his take on things.) As usual it goes right down party lines. Imagine that. But I have to agree with FF about Leon Panetta's statements. How do you justify those?

[Seven Wishes2]

Wow. You love taking things out of context, don't you.

Off to get my client back. More later. Wow.

[artist4perry]

If you actually took time to read the article you would see that the CIA gleaned almost all of its actionable intelligence from information obtained from detainees using methods that did not violate the Geneva convention.

If the CIA told you they tickled their balls with feathers and fed them ice cream would you believe them?

Is that what your into these days? LOL!

[Seven Wishes2]

Didn't you just a few posts up compliment Bill O'Reilly? And BTW, I don't know what article you're referring to. I have gotten my info from radio and tv news (F&F, Morning Joe, Hardball, Hannity, GMA, O'Reilly, and that freak that follows Matthews. I don't get a chance to listen to Limbaugh anymore, but I'd like to hear his take on things.) As usual it goes right down party lines. Imagine that. But I have to agree with FF about Leon Panetta's statements. How do you justify those?

No-one can deny SOME information might have been obtained using illegal methods. If you actually bothered to read the articles I posted, they do provide pretty compelling evidence that Obama's policies were very divergent from Bush's, and that the change in tactics spearheaded the effort to obtain the information that ultimately took out Bin Laden.

What bothers me is that both sides are running like scared little girls towards their repsective camps. As if it matters. This should be a unifying moment, and the how and when should take a distant back seat to the here and now - the death rattles of Al Queda. Leave it to the talking heads, circus freaks, and dividers to politicize everything. THAT'S what I'm angry about. We should all just move on, collectively, and go get the next bad guy.

[donnaplease]

What bothers me is that both sides are running like scared little girls towards their repsective camps. As if it matters. This should be a unifying moment, and the how and when should take a distant back seat to the here and now - the death rattles of Al Queda. Leave it to the talking heads, circus freaks, and dividers to politicize everything. THAT'S what I'm angry about. We should all just move on, collectively, and go get the next bad guy.

Damn! We agree about something. Well, it is calling for rain...

[SF-Dano]

Didn't you just a few posts up compliment Bill O'Reilly? And BTW, I don't know what article you're referring to. I have gotten my info from radio and tv news (F&F, Morning Joe, Hardball, Hannity, GMA, O'Reilly, and that freak that follows Matthews. I don't get a chance to listen to Limbaugh anymore, but I'd like to hear his take on things.) As usual it goes right down party lines. Imagine that. But I have to agree with FF about Leon Panetta's statements. How do you justify those?

No-one can deny SOME information might have been obtained using illegal methods. If you actually bothered to read the articles I posted, they do provide pretty compelling evidence that Obama's policies were very divergent from Bush's, and that the change in tactics spearheaded the effort to obtain the information that ultimately took out Bin Laden.

What bothers me is that both sides are running like scared little girls towards their repsective camps. As if it matters. This should be a unifying moment, and the how and when should take a distant back seat to the here and now - the death rattles of Al Queda. Leave it to the talking heads, circus freaks, and dividers to politicize everything. THAT'S what I'm angry about. We should all just move on, collectively, and go get the next bad guy.

I can agree with you on that.

[steveo777]

Actually, come to think of it, by dropping Bin Laden into the ocean we gave him back to the devil.

[RedWingFan]

THAT'S what I'm angry about. We should all just move on, collectively, and go get the next bad guy.

So are you saying that Obama shouldn't be on the campaign trail mentioning it at every stop?

[Saint John]

Gotta get this in as I think it's very important to talk about. I fully, and I mean fucking FULLY, support president Obama going into Pakistan without their permission and killing Osama has bin Laden. Fuck them. What I think is of critical importance, though, and I have yet to hear any person or media news outlet mention it, is that we shat (past tense of shit ) on the sovereignty of a nuclear nation. Had this been president Bush, the left would have been screaming and demanding for us to apologize, and would have been questioning the sanity of our president. I'm not. I love it. If Obama keeps this up I'll vote for him. Cowboy diplomacy is the only diplomacy that works with garbage and 3rd world countries. We're the U-fucking-nited States and we rule the roost. We play the police of the world and that alone gives us the ability to maneuver unilaterally at our own discretion. Fuck Pakistan, fuck the Taliban and fuck every Muslim on this planet right in their sand crack.

[slucero]

Gotta get this in as I think it's very important to talk about. I fully, and I mean fucking FULLY, support president Obama going into Pakistan without their permission and killing Osama has bin Laden. Fuck them. What I think is of critical importance, though, and I have yet to hear any person or media news outlet mention it, is that we shat (past tense of shit ) on the sovereignty of a nuclear nation. Had this been president Bush, the left would have been screaming and demanding for us to apologize, and would have been questioning the sanity of our president. I'm not. I love it. If Obama keeps this up I'll vote for him. Cowboy diplomacy is the only diplomacy that works with garbage and 3rd world countries. We're the U-fucking-nited States and we rule the roost. We play the police of the world and that alone gives us the ability to maneuver unilaterally at our own discretion. Fuck Pakistan, fuck the Taliban and fuck every Muslim on this planet right in their sand crack.

Rome used to believe in their omnipotence too... don't forget what happened to them....

The reality of this is.. all that omnipotence costs major moolah.. and the US is rapidly approaching a point where it will likely not be able to afford it.

[Saint John]

Gotta get this in as I think it's very important to talk about. I fully, and I mean fucking FULLY, support president Obama going into Pakistan without their permission and killing Osama has bin Laden. Fuck them. What I think is of critical importance, though, and I have yet to hear any person or media news outlet mention it, is that we shat (past tense of shit ) on the sovereignty of a nuclear nation. Had this been president Bush, the left would have been screaming and demanding for us to apologize, and would have been questioning the sanity of our president. I'm not. I love it. If Obama keeps this up I'll vote for him. Cowboy diplomacy is the only diplomacy that works with garbage and 3rd world countries. We're the U-fucking-nited States and we rule the roost. We play the police of the world and that alone gives us the ability to maneuver unilaterally at our own discretion. Fuck Pakistan, fuck the Taliban and fuck every Muslim on this planet right in their sand crack.

Rome used to believe in their omnipotence too... don't forget what happened to them....

The reality of this is.. all that omnipotence costs major moolah.. and the US is rapidly approaching a point where it will likely not be able to afford it.

I agree, totally. I guess I should have said "as long as we continue to have to play the police of the world ... " Too many cowardly countries out there not willing to address the problem of Islam.

[slucero]

Gotta get this in as I think it's very important to talk about. I fully, and I mean fucking FULLY, support president Obama going into Pakistan without their permission and killing Osama has bin Laden. Fuck them. What I think is of critical importance, though, and I have yet to hear any person or media news outlet mention it, is that we shat (past tense of shit ) on the sovereignty of a nuclear nation. Had this been president Bush, the left would have been screaming and demanding for us to apologize, and would have been questioning the sanity of our president. I'm not. I love it. If Obama keeps this up I'll vote for him. Cowboy diplomacy is the only diplomacy that works with garbage and 3rd world countries. We're the U-fucking-nited States and we rule the roost. We play the police of the world and that alone gives us the ability to maneuver unilaterally at our own discretion. Fuck Pakistan, fuck the Taliban and fuck every Muslim on this planet right in their sand crack.

Rome used to believe in their omnipotence too... don't forget what happened to them....

The reality of this is.. all that omnipotence costs major moolah.. and the US is rapidly approaching a point where it will likely not be able to afford it.

I agree, totally. I guess I should have said "as long as we continue to have to play the police of the world ... " Too many cowardly countries out there not willing to address the problem of Islam.

Agreed.. now imagine a world where we (the USA) can't afford to do that too..

[Jubilee]

A stash of pornography was found in the Pakistani compound of Usama bin Laden raided last week by Navy SEALs, U.S. officials tell Reuters.

The pornography taken from the compound consists of modern, electronically recorded video and is fairly extensive, officials said.

The officials told Reuters they did not know if the terror leader acquired the porn himself or even viewed it.

Bin Laden's Abbottabad compound did not have Internet connection or other hard-wired communication networks. But the compound was equipped with televisions after the U.S. government released videos taken from the raid showing the Al Qaeda leader watching himself on TV.

U.S. officials said materials taken during the raid were the largest cache of intelligence taken from one source.

The discovery of pornography taken during raids on Islamic militants is not uncommon, officials told Reuters.

So, lemme get this straight...the man has 3 wives aaaand a "fairly extensive" porn stash??!?!... Some people are just greedy. No wonder the man couldn't find the time for mischief and mayhem over the past few years...