Eclipse - Your Reviews

[steveo777]

Deano, don't bail! It's just getting fun again!

He just wants Fact Finder to have to start another thread. Dean, come on, dude. You can't
let people on the internet punch your card like this.

[steveo777]

BTW, how much of a degradation of quality is a 320kbs mp3 compared to listening to the actual disc?

[Don]

I keep forgetting, some of the criticisms made based on BitTorrent tracks. No doubt they fail to do the songs justice at 56k or whatever.

I'm drunk and thinking about heading to Walmart. I wanna hear the album.

You're drunk? Go get a blow job instead. The album will still be there tomorrow. Unless you have a designated driver of course. In that case, don't get busted for assaulting Anderson employees.

[S2M]

I keep forgetting, some of the criticisms made based on BitTorrent tracks. No doubt they fail to do the songs justice at 56k or whatever.

I'm drunk and thinking about heading to Walmart. I wanna hear the album.

Don't forget to order my 3DVD set.....

[Don]

Sorry Andrew but the vocals aren't as fantastic as you said they were.

Rubbish.

And to say the album was written for JSS is laughable!

Once and for all get your head (ears) out of your ass and LISTEN. The vocals are weak and that is a fact. Soto would've KILLED on these songs. The only songs you can HEAR Arnel clearly are the slow songs. He can not provide the heavier vocal to match the instruments.
But we all know , you're always right and our opinion are always rubbish to you , Adolf .

I know you are only trying to stir the pot. Not taking the bait.

Dude, check yourself.

For starters, you dropped "rubbish." Who the fuck says "rubbish" and isn't a limp wristed faggot from London? Jon Waite perhaps? He sucks cock anyway.

2nd, you are tone deaf. From the tunes I have heard, IMHO, they deliberately muddied Pineda's vox in the mix....NO WAY would that ever ever, I mean ever happen if Perry were in this once great band. I sincerely believe this album is a showcase of Schon's guitar work, and the vocals just kind of come along for the ride. This record is Schon's, not Journey's. I am being serious as a dick in the ass too.

Yeah, there is something keeping the vocals back. They're not out where every syllable is crystal clear. Neal is more the big thing you can fix on, not the voice.

Like I said, listening to this really makes me appreciate the production on TBF, even if Perry's voice is cracked. You really hear every nuance on that disc. Here on Eclipse, the music shines but the vocals got crazy shit going on in some of the songs.

[Everett]

I keep forgetting, some of the criticisms made based on BitTorrent tracks. No doubt they fail to do the songs justice at 56k or whatever.

I'm drunk and thinking about heading to Walmart. I wanna hear the album.

Don't forget to order my 3DVD set.....

Wrestlemania 1 2 & 3?

[Andrew]

BTW, how much of a degradation of quality is a 320kbs mp3 compared to listening to the actual disc?

Still a little. It's as good as you'll get for a MP3/compression from WAV. Full CD I think I saw at around 390....something like that.

[steveo777]

Sorry Andrew but the vocals aren't as fantastic as you said they were.

Rubbish.

And to say the album was written for JSS is laughable!

Once and for all get your head (ears) out of your ass and LISTEN. The vocals are weak and that is a fact. Soto would've KILLED on these songs. The only songs you can HEAR Arnel clearly are the slow songs. He can not provide the heavier vocal to match the instruments.
But we all know , you're always right and our opinion are always rubbish to you , Adolf .

I know you are only trying to stir the pot. Not taking the bait.

Dude, check yourself.

For starters, you dropped "rubbish." Who the fuck says "rubbish" and isn't a limp wristed faggot from London? Jon Waite perhaps? He sucks cock anyway.

2nd, you are tone deaf. From the tunes I have heard, IMHO, they deliberately muddied Pineda's vox in the mix....NO WAY would that ever ever, I mean ever happen if Perry were in this once great band. I sincerely believe this album is a showcase of Schon's guitar work, and the vocals just kind of come along for the ride. This record is Schon's, not Journey's. I am being serious as a dick in the ass too.

Yeah, there is something keeping the vocals back. They're not out where every syllable is crystal clear. Neal is more the big thing you can fix on, not the voice.

I don't necessarily hear the vocals being held back, but also I keep in mind that this is not your cookie cutter Journey album. Neal wins this time.
My guess is that they have one more album in the tank and it will return to the normal Journey formula. To me it's fun that they stepped out of
the norm. I'm not looking for a typical Journey album in any of this one. Honestly, I think maybe that's what some of you guys (not you, in particular, Don) are missing and
you're looking for something typical but this is not that kind of album. Does that make sense?

[Don]

Hey, I'm digging this record for the most part but to the people that see ROR as Perry's album (including myself), Eclipse can be painted with the same brush concerning one member dominating a release because Neal has his stamp all over this puppy.

I'm not saying Arnel doesn't have the ability but he is put in check on a lot of the tunes here, the exception being Tantra where he gets to have a lot of oohs and aahs in the latter part of the song.
I was just expecting him to go a bit wild like Coverdale and other hard rock singers this time around.

[artist4perry]

I am with Deano on the Perry's voice is deeper than Arnel's. And I like both singers. Perry just has a one of a kind richness. He is one of the most respected and revered singers of rock and roll. I have no beef with Arnel fans. I just wish they would realize that dogging Perry over loyalty to Arnel is not fair. You have to be deaf if you think Perry is not one of the most talented singers in rock history. I don't see why you cannot respect both singers ability without this "who is better" crap. Another rant in one night.

THE GREAT GINGER HAS SPOKEN.

[Saint John]

Hey, I'm digging this record for the most part but to the people that said ROR was Perry's album, Eclipse can be painted with the same brush concerning one member dominating a release because Neal has his stamp all over this puppy.

Not really a fair comparison, Don. Firing members, changing the 1 word album theme, liquidating assets and being a completely out of control, 80 proof asshole is a bit different from demanding a harder direction with an emphasis on guitar, rather than the usual keyboard driven albums.

[S2M]

Hey, I'm digging this record for the most part but to the people that see ROR as Perry's album (including myself), Eclipse can be painted with the same brush concerning one member dominating a release because Neal has his stamp all over this puppy.

My issue with the songs is quite simple - the songs don't go anywhere. There's no build-up. Meaning that there ends up being no crescendo. Just Arnel singing, and Neal doing his best Vinnie Vincent.

The songs are plodding....boring, and don't grab me at all. I can stomach a couple of them. But I wouldn't purposely play a track off this release due to a craving for this formula....

[Don]

Hey, I'm digging this record for the most part but to the people that said ROR was Perry's album, Eclipse can be painted with the same brush concerning one member dominating a release because Neal has his stamp all over this puppy.

Not really a fair comparison, Don. Firing members, changing the 1 word album theme, liquidating assets and being a completely out of control, 80 proof asshole is a bit different from demanding a harder direction with an emphasis on guitar, rather than the usual keyboard driven albums.

It's not a criticism of Eclipse at all. I'm talking about the musical ability to alter a group's sound to match one person's vision.
Perry wanted an A/C pop record and for better or worse he achieved that. The same here with Neal; he wanted to rock and for the most part this release does.

[Saint John]

Hey, I'm digging this record for the most part but to the people that said ROR was Perry's album, Eclipse can be painted with the same brush concerning one member dominating a release because Neal has his stamp all over this puppy.

Not really a fair comparison, Don. Firing members, changing the 1 word album theme, liquidating assets and being a completely out of control, 80 proof asshole is a bit different from demanding a harder direction with an emphasis on guitar, rather than the usual keyboard driven albums.

It's not a criticism of Eclipse at all. I'm talking about the musical ability to alter a group's sound to match one person's vision.

Fair enough, but I still maintain that a collective vision for a band is ok, but a personal agenda isn't.

[steveo777]

Hey, I'm digging this record for the most part but to the people that see ROR as Perry's album (including myself), Eclipse can be painted with the same brush concerning one member dominating a release because Neal has his stamp all over this puppy.

My issue with the songs is quite simple - the songs don't go anywhere. There's no build-up. Meaning that there ends up being no crescendo. Just Arnel singing, and Neal doing his best Vinnie Vincent.

The songs are plodding....boring, and don't grab me at all. I can stomach a couple of them. But I wouldn't purposely play a track off this release due to a craving for this formula....

Yeah, yeah...we all know where you stand. Go back to reading Treasure Island, you old poop!

[Don]

Hey, I'm digging this record for the most part but to the people that said ROR was Perry's album, Eclipse can be painted with the same brush concerning one member dominating a release because Neal has his stamp all over this puppy.

Not really a fair comparison, Don. Firing members, changing the 1 word album theme, liquidating assets and being a completely out of control, 80 proof asshole is a bit different from demanding a harder direction with an emphasis on guitar, rather than the usual keyboard driven albums.

It's not a criticism of Eclipse at all. I'm talking about the musical ability to alter a group's sound to match one person's vision.

Fair enough, but I still maintain that a collective vision for a band is ok, but a personal agenda isn't.

Of couse, that's why I can enjoy this album more than ROR and like I said before, Cain deserves a lot of credit here for doing the yeoman work even though I would imagine he wasn't thrilled with it.

[mikemarrs]

Good to see Neal fucking Schon elbow Jon full of schmaltzy ballads Cain out of the way and make a really good album of hard rocking tunes.

[Don]

Hey, I'm digging this record for the most part but to the people that see ROR as Perry's album (including myself), Eclipse can be painted with the same brush concerning one member dominating a release because Neal has his stamp all over this puppy.

My issue with the songs is quite simple - the songs don't go anywhere. There's no build-up. Meaning that there ends up being no crescendo. Just Arnel singing, and Neal doing his best Vinnie Vincent.

The songs are plodding....boring, and don't grab me at all. I can stomach a couple of them. But I wouldn't purposely play a track off this release due to a craving for this formula....

Yeah, yeah...we all know where you stand. Go back to reading Treasure Island, you old poop!

He does have a point. Even the catchy tunes like Anything is Impossible never really arrive anywhere and when it ends you're like, that's it?

I'm still saying the sum of the parts is greater when taken as a whole for this particular album.

[steveo777]

Hey, I'm digging this record for the most part but to the people that see ROR as Perry's album (including myself), Eclipse can be painted with the same brush concerning one member dominating a release because Neal has his stamp all over this puppy.

My issue with the songs is quite simple - the songs don't go anywhere. There's no build-up. Meaning that there ends up being no crescendo. Just Arnel singing, and Neal doing his best Vinnie Vincent.

The songs are plodding....boring, and don't grab me at all. I can stomach a couple of them. But I wouldn't purposely play a track off this release due to a craving for this formula....

Yeah, yeah...we all know where you stand. Go back to reading Treasure Island, you old poop!

He does have a point. Even the catchy tunes like Anything is Impossible never really arrive anywhere and when it ends you're like, that's it?

So, does everything have to have a destination or go somewhere? It's music and I guess I don't get that expectation.

[Don]

Hey, I'm digging this record for the most part but to the people that see ROR as Perry's album (including myself), Eclipse can be painted with the same brush concerning one member dominating a release because Neal has his stamp all over this puppy.

My issue with the songs is quite simple - the songs don't go anywhere. There's no build-up. Meaning that there ends up being no crescendo. Just Arnel singing, and Neal doing his best Vinnie Vincent.

The songs are plodding....boring, and don't grab me at all. I can stomach a couple of them. But I wouldn't purposely play a track off this release due to a craving for this formula....

Yeah, yeah...we all know where you stand. Go back to reading Treasure Island, you old poop!

He does have a point. Even the catchy tunes like Anything is Impossible never really arrive anywhere and when it ends you're like, that's it?

So, does everything have to have a destination or go somewhere? It's music and I guess I don't get that expectation.

For the average Journey fan, yes it does. Not everyone is interested in change as the constant presence of the Dirty Dozen in each evening's setlist can attest to.

[RedWingFan]

Hey Dean, what's the official over/under on how many tour dates Neil gets through before he starts bitching about fans streaming to the pisser during these masterpieces????

[Don]

Hey Dean, what's the official over/under on how many tour dates Neil gets through before he starts bitching about fans streaming to the pisser during these masterpieces????

There was already talk of that happening during the Latin America Shows. This isn't a CD that is meant to appease Journey's concert going audience, that's for sure. As I'm more interested in having something to listen to more at home then in a setlist somewhere, It doesn't really affect me. The recorded versions of the songs sound ten times better than the live tracks anyway, the complete opposite from what happened with Revelation.

Pulling the youtubes looks like a good decision in hindsight, they can't hold a candle to what Kingfish and those guys whipped up in the studio.

[Saint John]

Kingfish needs to show up at our Pittsburgh get together and have a beer with us.

[Don]

Edge Of The Moment is really starting to climb up my list, a song that youtube just couldn't sell but the recorded version does.

[Andrew]

He does have a point. Even the catchy tunes like Anything is Impossible never really arrive anywhere and when it ends you're like, that's it?

Are you guys for real? That's an amazing song and the most classic melodic Journey track of the whole album.

[Andrew]

For the average Journey fan, yes it does. Not everyone is interested in change as the constant presence of the Dirty Dozen in each evening's setlist can attest to.

No offence to the 'average Journey fan', but screw the average Journey fan! I love dark and mood records and I love that guitar is all over this record and the song structures aren't predictable, nor familiar. Play an old Journey album if that's what you want. We don't need the same stuff over and over.

This album is bold and ballsy and I'm loving it....still...

[Saint John]

Edge Of The Moment is really starting to climb up my list, a song that youtube just couldn't sell but the recorded version does.

That's Tito's favorite song! Swear to God! You guys are BFF's! Who knew?!?

[S2M]

He does have a point. Even the catchy tunes like Anything is Impossible never really arrive anywhere and when it ends you're like, that's it?

Are you guys for real? That's an amazing song and the most classic melodic Journey track of the whole album.

The only thing it has in common with classic Journey is the witty juxtaposition of those three words, and these three words: Don't Stop Believin'...at least we know Cain was Abel to read the thesaurus....lol

[Don]

I'm sorry and I know a lot of people will disagree when they hear the complete version but Tantra is just too much Pomp and Circumstance when all I want to do is rock. When the next track starts, it's actually a relief.

[Don]

Edge Of The Moment is really starting to climb up my list, a song that youtube just couldn't sell but the recorded version does.

That's Tito's favorite song! Swear to God! You guys are BFF's! Who knew?!?

Taco's at my place Tito, just like Mamma used to make!