Eclipse Billboard - Flop

[Michigan Girl]

Journey's fan base didn't look old to me ...they were
a whole new fan base, for the most part!! I was the
oldest human at the shows I attended ...
I felt more comfortable w/the New Men On The Block ...hehe

Seriously, a large portion of their fanbase is brand spankin' new!!

[Michigan Girl]

Say what you will about Mr. Cain, but he's no
dumb cookie. I think he saw the writing on the wall. He saw
no promotion. He saw the inexpensive packaging and knew
this was going to be a low expense, half-ass CD release.
Don't get me wrong, he was still a team player, as usual,
and did his part by doing interviews to promote the CD, etc.
But, he said from the get go, this was Neal's CD. Hence, he
knew what was coming and removed himself from the blame and
put it right at the feet of Neal. Smart move.

Don't get me wrong, because I don't think JC is an idiot ...
but what I do think, is that these so called team players
are always very quick to point fingers and make
claims that they were just being cooperative team players ..."he
(point, point) had the ball and he (point, point) was running w/
it ...I just showed up and played my part".
JC made sure to promote so he could make sure the public
knew ...mmhmmm ...it's a very selfish act, imo, without a hint
of TEAM mentality!!
You win together, you lose together ...period!!:wink:

[Tito]

Say what you will about Mr. Cain, but he's no
dumb cookie. I think he saw the writing on the wall. He saw
no promotion. He saw the inexpensive packaging and knew
this was going to be a low expense, half-ass CD release.
Don't get me wrong, he was still a team player, as usual,
and did his part by doing interviews to promote the CD, etc.
But, he said from the get go, this was Neal's CD. Hence, he
knew what was coming and removed himself from the blame and
put it right at the feet of Neal. Smart move.

Don't get me wrong, because I don't think JC is an idiot ...
but what I do think, is that these so called team players
are always very quick to point fingers and make
claims that they were just being cooperative team players ..."he
(point, point) had the ball and he (point, point) was running w/
it ...I just showed up and played my part".
JC made sure to promote so he could make sure the public
knew ...mmhmmm ...it's a very selfish act, imo, without a hint
of TEAM mentality!!
You win together, you lose together ...period!!:wink:

When you share the dream
There's no "I" in team
Let the spirit take you higher

[Michigan Girl]

Say what you will about Mr. Cain, but he's no
dumb cookie. I think he saw the writing on the wall. He saw
no promotion. He saw the inexpensive packaging and knew
this was going to be a low expense, half-ass CD release.
Don't get me wrong, he was still a team player, as usual,
and did his part by doing interviews to promote the CD, etc.
But, he said from the get go, this was Neal's CD. Hence, he
knew what was coming and removed himself from the blame and
put it right at the feet of Neal. Smart move.

Don't get me wrong, because I don't think JC is an idiot ...
but what I do think, is that these so called team players
are always very quick to point fingers and make
claims that they were just being cooperative team players ..."he
(point, point) had the ball and he (point, point) was running w/
it ...I just showed up and played my part".
JC made sure to promote so he could make sure the public
knew ...mmhmmm ...it's a very selfish act, imo, without a hint
of TEAM mentality!!
You win together, you lose together ...period!!:wink:

When you share the dream
There's no "I" in team
Let the spirit take you higher

Damn right ...and who let the dogs out?!?

[Monker]

Say what you will about Mr. Cain, but he's no
dumb cookie. I think he saw the writing on the wall. He saw
no promotion. He saw the inexpensive packaging and knew
this was going to be a low expense, half-ass CD release.
Don't get me wrong, he was still a team player, as usual,
and did his part by doing interviews to promote the CD, etc.
But, he said from the get go, this was Neal's CD. Hence, he
knew what was coming and removed himself from the blame and
put it right at the feet of Neal. Smart move.

Don't get me wrong, because I don't think JC is an idiot ...
but what I do think, is that these so called team players
are always very quick to point fingers and make
claims that they were just being cooperative team players ..."he
(point, point) had the ball and he (point, point) was running w/
it ...I just showed up and played my part".
JC made sure to promote so he could make sure the public
knew ...mmhmmm ...it's a very selfish act, imo, without a hint
of TEAM mentality!!
You win together, you lose together ...period!!:wink:

When you share the dream
There's no "I" in team
Let the spirit take you higher

Damn right ...and who let the dogs out?!?

Oh, please, the above posts are just so lame. From the start, NEAL said this was the album HE wanted. Jonathan's interviews were doing nothing more then saying, "Yes, it was Neal's album, but I had some input too..."

People here, including me, were complaining that Jonathan was going to be pushed out of the process..he was simply clarifying the situation. Jonathan did not need to lay the blame at Neal's feet....Neal did that himself.

[Monker]

Journey's fan base didn't look old to me ...they were
a whole new fan base, for the most part!! I was the
oldest human at the shows I attended ...
I felt more comfortable w/the New Men On The Block ...hehe

Seriously, a large portion of their fanbase is brand spankin' new!!

When was this....cuz it sounds like it was before Eclipse and during the Revelation tour.

[Michigan Girl]

Journey's fan base didn't look old to me ...they were
a whole new fan base, for the most part!! I was the
oldest human at the shows I attended ...
I felt more comfortable w/the New Men On The Block ...hehe

Seriously, a large portion of their fanbase is brand spankin' new!!

When was this....cuz it sounds like it was before Eclipse and during the Revelation tour.

Oh yes, Revelation ...I should've quoted!

And quit taking everything so damn seriously ...have you ever laughed?!?!

[Don]

In it's second week, Eclipse falls to #47 on Billboard. Greatest Hits at #95.

[steveo777]

In it's second week, Eclipse falls to #47 on Billboard. Greatest Hits at #95.

Thanks for keeping us informed, there chief.

[jrny84]

In it's second week, Eclipse falls to #47 on Billboard. Greatest Hits at #95.

Wow, what a drop!

[Don]

In it's second week, Eclipse falls to #47 on Billboard. Greatest Hits at #95.

Thanks for keeping us informed, there chief.

Someone has to. I saw Cain tweeting about Eclipse being #14 in the UK. Dude, WTF? it's at #33. These guys seem to be in their own world as far as what is going on with sales. Maybe they aren't even aware of what happened with the promo here or the low sales.

You don't just take off the year when your popularity is at super high (2010) to have your next album tank.

[steveo777]

In it's second week, Eclipse falls to #47 on Billboard. Greatest Hits at #95.

Thanks for keeping us informed, there chief.

Someone has to. I saw Cain tweeting about Eclipse being #14 in the UK. Dude, WTF? it's at #33. These guys seem to be in their own world as far as what is going on with sales. Maybe they aren't even aware of what happened with the promo here or the low sales.

You don't just take off the year when your popularity is at super high (2010) to have your next album tank.

Did he say if Revelation has hit 3 x platinum yet?

[Don]

In it's second week, Eclipse falls to #47 on Billboard. Greatest Hits at #95.

Thanks for keeping us informed, there chief.

Someone has to. I saw Cain tweeting about Eclipse being #14 in the UK. Dude, WTF? it's at #33. These guys seem to be in their own world as far as what is going on with sales. Maybe they aren't even aware of what happened with the promo here or the low sales.

You don't just take off the year when your popularity is at super high (2010) to have your next album tank.

Did he say if Revelation has hit 3 x platinum yet?

I'm still looking for COH and this fabled Rock Radio chart that Neal was over the moon about.

[Greg]

So Eclipse tanks this week and the Greatest Hits climbs from #106 to #95.

To me, it doesn't look like Journey is ever going to escape (no pun intended) the greatest hits. The only way they could do this is to just tour with a Revelation / Eclipse setlist, which would be career suicide for them at this point, but you'd find out for sure how many were coming to the concerts to hear new songs and how many casuals are there for the dirty dozen.

[Tito]

Someone has to. I saw Cain tweeting about Eclipse being #14 in the UK.

Cain is on twitter!? I may have to break down and finally get a twitter account.

[steveo777]

Almost always, the first YouTube clips up are the DD. DSB, OA, Faithfully and the like.

[Monker]

Journey's fan base didn't look old to me ...they were
a whole new fan base, for the most part!! I was the
oldest human at the shows I attended ...
I felt more comfortable w/the New Men On The Block ...hehe

Seriously, a large portion of their fanbase is brand spankin' new!!

When was this....cuz it sounds like it was before Eclipse and during the Revelation tour.

Oh yes, Revelation ...I should've quoted!

And quit taking everything so damn seriously ...have you ever laughed?!?!

Oh, believe me, everytime I read this thread, I have to laugh.

[steveo777]

Journey's fan base didn't look old to me ...they were
a whole new fan base, for the most part!! I was the
oldest human at the shows I attended ...
I felt more comfortable w/the New Men On The Block ...hehe

Seriously, a large portion of their fanbase is brand spankin' new!!

When was this....cuz it sounds like it was before Eclipse and during the Revelation tour.

Oh yes, Revelation ...I should've quoted!

And quit taking everything so damn seriously ...have you ever laughed?!?!

Oh, believe me, everytime I read this thread, I have to laugh.

All is fair in war. You make us laugh too....at your general retardedness.

[Monker]

In it's second week, Eclipse falls to #47 on Billboard. Greatest Hits at #95.

Thanks for keeping us informed, there chief.

Someone has to. I saw Cain tweeting about Eclipse being #14 in the UK. Dude, WTF? it's at #33. These guys seem to be in their own world as far as what is going on with sales. Maybe they aren't even aware of what happened with the promo here or the low sales.

You don't just take off the year when your popularity is at super high (2010) to have your next album tank.

...and yet you and others still predicted huge sales. This album would have done no better no matter when it was released. Well, unless it replaced Revelation and was sold in that package.

[Monker]

In it's second week, Eclipse falls to #47 on Billboard. Greatest Hits at #95.

Thanks for keeping us informed, there chief.

Someone has to. I saw Cain tweeting about Eclipse being #14 in the UK. Dude, WTF? it's at #33. These guys seem to be in their own world as far as what is going on with sales. Maybe they aren't even aware of what happened with the promo here or the low sales.

You don't just take off the year when your popularity is at super high (2010) to have your next album tank.

Did he say if Revelation has hit 3 x platinum yet?

I'm still looking for COH and this fabled Rock Radio chart that Neal was over the moon about.

And, I heard on the radio that Perry and Journey have mended their wounds and get along so well that Perry helped out on Eclipse. Gee, wonder who started THAT rumor

[jrny84]

Journey's DVDs are always selling well:

17 RE-ENTRY 50 Live In Manila Journey
18 16 144 Live In Bucharest: The Dangerous Tour Michael Jackson
19 37 17 Majesty: Live From The Gaither Alaskan Cruise Bill & Gloria Gaither And Their Homecoming Friends
20 RE-ENTRY 16 Alaskan Homecoming: Live From The Gaither Alaskan Cruise Bill & Gloria Gaither And Their Homecoming Friends
21 11 35 Ladies & Gentlemen The Rolling Stones The Rolling Stones
22 15 15 Rock 'n' Roll Party: Honoring Les Paul Jeff Beck
23 NEW 1 Donizetti: Don Pasquale The Metropolitan Opera Orchestra And Chorus (Levine)
24 24 28 Michael Jackson's Vision Michael Jackson
25 NEW 1 Ride, Rise, Roar David Byrne
26 22 363 Number Ones Michael Jackson
27 28 249 Greatest Hits 1978-1997 Journey

Maybe the should concentrate on releasing some more classic concert DVDs instead of new material.

[Don]

Journey's DVDs are always selling well:

17 RE-ENTRY 50 Live In Manila Journey
18 16 144 Live In Bucharest: The Dangerous Tour Michael Jackson
19 37 17 Majesty: Live From The Gaither Alaskan Cruise Bill & Gloria Gaither And Their Homecoming Friends
20 RE-ENTRY 16 Alaskan Homecoming: Live From The Gaither Alaskan Cruise Bill & Gloria Gaither And Their Homecoming Friends
21 11 35 Ladies & Gentlemen The Rolling Stones The Rolling Stones
22 15 15 Rock 'n' Roll Party: Honoring Les Paul Jeff Beck
23 NEW 1 Donizetti: Don Pasquale The Metropolitan Opera Orchestra And Chorus (Levine)
24 24 28 Michael Jackson's Vision Michael Jackson
25 NEW 1 Ride, Rise, Roar David Byrne
26 22 363 Number Ones Michael Jackson
27 28 249 Greatest Hits 1978-1997 Journey

Maybe the should concentrate on releasing some more classic concert DVDs instead of new material.

#17 and below on that chart equates to less than a thousand DVDs a week.

Sony has all those older videos in the vault, it's their call if they get released or not and even then, certain members have to okay it. Neal's not gonna go for that. He still hopes to have people saying "Perry who?" one of these days.

[jrny84]

Journey's DVDs are always selling well:

17 RE-ENTRY 50 Live In Manila Journey
18 16 144 Live In Bucharest: The Dangerous Tour Michael Jackson
19 37 17 Majesty: Live From The Gaither Alaskan Cruise Bill & Gloria Gaither And Their Homecoming Friends
20 RE-ENTRY 16 Alaskan Homecoming: Live From The Gaither Alaskan Cruise Bill & Gloria Gaither And Their Homecoming Friends
21 11 35 Ladies & Gentlemen The Rolling Stones The Rolling Stones
22 15 15 Rock 'n' Roll Party: Honoring Les Paul Jeff Beck
23 NEW 1 Donizetti: Don Pasquale The Metropolitan Opera Orchestra And Chorus (Levine)
24 24 28 Michael Jackson's Vision Michael Jackson
25 NEW 1 Ride, Rise, Roar David Byrne
26 22 363 Number Ones Michael Jackson
27 28 249 Greatest Hits 1978-1997 Journey

Maybe the should concentrate on releasing some more classic concert DVDs instead of new material.

#17 and below on that chart equates to less than a thousand DVDs a week.

Sony has all those older videos in the vault, it's their call if they get released or not and even then, certain members have to okay it. Neal's not gonna go for that. He still hopes to have people saying "Perry who?" one of these days.

True. I just want an ROR DVD released!

[Don]

Look at Old Man Ozzy!

Diary Of A Madman @ #74
Blizzard Of Ozz @ #75

[Don]

Mirrorball doesn't appear to be selling well. MAYBE a Top 20 on debut. Man, Wal-mart exclusives sure ain't what they used to be.

Journey, and before that Richard Marx. Were looking at potentially less than 100k moved on debut for all three artists combined.

[steveo777]

Mirrorball doesn't appear to be selling well. MAYBE a Top 20 on debut. Man, Wal-mart exclusives sure ain't what they used to be.

Because it's shit, from most accounts.

[Don]

Wal-Mart is bleeding right now with all three of these releases flopping, especially seeing as two of them were three disc sets.

The Marx album never even cracked the Billboard 200.

Just checked. Eclipse is at #7 on Wal-Mart's best seller list, behind both of the other ones I just mentioned.
On iTunes and Amazon, it's out of the top 100.
The U.S. tour ain't going to save it.
This isn't catching Arrival (Yes, that's what I said. Arrival).

Good news on the other side of Journey's retail coin though. The Greatest Hits is back in iTunes Top 100 and at #95 on Billboard.

[Monker]

Journey's DVDs are always selling well:

17 RE-ENTRY 50 Live In Manila Journey
18 16 144 Live In Bucharest: The Dangerous Tour Michael Jackson
19 37 17 Majesty: Live From The Gaither Alaskan Cruise Bill & Gloria Gaither And Their Homecoming Friends
20 RE-ENTRY 16 Alaskan Homecoming: Live From The Gaither Alaskan Cruise Bill & Gloria Gaither And Their Homecoming Friends
21 11 35 Ladies & Gentlemen The Rolling Stones The Rolling Stones
22 15 15 Rock 'n' Roll Party: Honoring Les Paul Jeff Beck
23 NEW 1 Donizetti: Don Pasquale The Metropolitan Opera Orchestra And Chorus (Levine)
24 24 28 Michael Jackson's Vision Michael Jackson
25 NEW 1 Ride, Rise, Roar David Byrne
26 22 363 Number Ones Michael Jackson
27 28 249 Greatest Hits 1978-1997 Journey

Maybe the should concentrate on releasing some more classic concert DVDs instead of new material.

#17 and below on that chart equates to less than a thousand DVDs a week.

Sony has all those older videos in the vault, it's their call if they get released or not and even then, certain members have to okay it. Neal's not gonna go for that. He still hopes to have people saying "Perry who?" one of these days.

What are you talking about? Neal didn't have a problem with the Houston DVD. He would gladly accept another paycheck for doing absolutely nothing.

I think it is Sony who doesn't believe there is a large enough market...Or, Perry doesn't want anything else releasede on video...which he has always been against.

[Monker]

Wal-Mart is bleeding right now with all three of these releases flopping, especially seeing as two of them were three disc sets.

The Marx album never even cracked the Billboard 200.

Just checked. Eclipse is at #7 on Wal-Mart's best seller list, behind both of the other ones I just mentioned.
On iTunes and Amazon, it's out of the top 100.
The U.S. tour ain't going to save it.
This isn't catching Arrival (Yes, that's what I said. Arrival).

Good news on the other side of Journey's retail coin though. The Greatest Hits is back in iTunes Top 100 and at #95 on Billboard.

It depends on how much they spend to sign the artists, and how many CD's they ordered. I can see Journey costing them a bunch of money...if they paid expecting Revelation type sales. DL, may be a loss. Richard Marx? They were foolish if they expected huge sales from him.

[Don]

Journey's DVDs are always selling well:

17 RE-ENTRY 50 Live In Manila Journey
18 16 144 Live In Bucharest: The Dangerous Tour Michael Jackson
19 37 17 Majesty: Live From The Gaither Alaskan Cruise Bill & Gloria Gaither And Their Homecoming Friends
20 RE-ENTRY 16 Alaskan Homecoming: Live From The Gaither Alaskan Cruise Bill & Gloria Gaither And Their Homecoming Friends
21 11 35 Ladies & Gentlemen The Rolling Stones The Rolling Stones
22 15 15 Rock 'n' Roll Party: Honoring Les Paul Jeff Beck
23 NEW 1 Donizetti: Don Pasquale The Metropolitan Opera Orchestra And Chorus (Levine)
24 24 28 Michael Jackson's Vision Michael Jackson
25 NEW 1 Ride, Rise, Roar David Byrne
26 22 363 Number Ones Michael Jackson
27 28 249 Greatest Hits 1978-1997 Journey

Maybe the should concentrate on releasing some more classic concert DVDs instead of new material.

#17 and below on that chart equates to less than a thousand DVDs a week.

Sony has all those older videos in the vault, it's their call if they get released or not and even then, certain members have to okay it. Neal's not gonna go for that. He still hopes to have people saying "Perry who?" one of these days.

What are you talking about? Neal didn't have a problem with the Houston DVD. He would gladly accept another paycheck for doing absolutely nothing.

I think it is Sony who doesn't believe there is a large enough market...Or, Perry doesn't want anything else releasede on video...which he has always been against.

As for the older stuff, during Perry's last chat he said he would like the stuff to get out there but Sony might not care enough to help make it happen.