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Postby Art Vandelay » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:38 am

It's funny how critical so many people are of the 86 tour, and 'how toasted his voice was' and 'how erratic and blown out he acted on stage.' Easy to say now, while your sitting at your desk, listening to it by yourself via the internet. What everyone forgets is that these were live performances in front of thousand of people. Although I didn't see this particular tour live, I know a ton of people who have and not one ever had a bad thing to say about Perry, the band, or the show itself. They were all caught up in the excitement of the show, and Perry came off as doing the same. Every person who I know who went to the ROR concert all said the same...great show, Perry was amazing. If there were 22,000 people at the show, there were 22,000 asses out of their seats partying and singing. Look at the live crowd in the GCHI video...nobody looks disappointed.

Just saying, take these live clips for what they were: live, energetic performances. Not for what they are now: fuzzy bootlegs streamed through computer speakers.
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Postby Saint John » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:54 am

Art Vandelay wrote:It's funny how critical so many people are of the 86 tour, and 'how toasted his voice was' and 'how erratic and blown out he acted on stage.' Easy to say now, while your sitting at your desk, listening to it by yourself via the internet. What everyone forgets is that these were live performances in front of thousand of people. Although I didn't see this particular tour live, I know a ton of people who have and not one ever had a bad thing to say about Perry, the band, or the show itself. They were all caught up in the excitement of the show, and Perry came off as doing the same. Every person who I know who went to the ROR concert all said the same...great show, Perry was amazing. If there were 22,000 people at the show, there were 22,000 asses out of their seats partying and singing. Look at the live crowd in the GCHI video...nobody looks disappointed.

Just saying, take these live clips for what they were: live, energetic performances. Not for what they are now: fuzzy bootlegs streamed through computer speakers.



Fans of the band are fans of the band. But I agree, Art, as I went to a concert with Arnel and swore it was perfect ... only to get back, listen to some of the youtube clips and think, man, did I drink that much or is that the wrong show. :lol: But it was neither. It's just that crowd noise, my brutal singing and a few beers generally drown out any imperfections. Same with FTLOSM. I look back now and see some of those brutal youtubes and can't comprehend that that's how he sounded when I saw him. But he probably did. Doesn't matter, though, because I had an absolute blast! :)

And that's always been one of my biggest gripes about Steve Perry. The critics shat all over him and the rest of the band for years, if not decades. But now he seems unwilling to perform the farewell show or shows because of how these jackoffs may perceive him?!?! Fuck them! Do it for the fans. And save the perfectionist bullshit, too. Parts of the ROR tour, Againt The Wall, The Bill Graham debacle, FTLOSM and the general sound of the instruments on that tour prove he's anything but a perfectionist. That's a myth ... always has been. Relative to the other guys, I'd say he's a bit more discerning but not all that much. If you've got enough for a handful of shows, let it rip, Steve. No one that matters will be disappointed with the shows. :wink:
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Postby Don » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:57 am

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Art Vandelay wrote:It's funny how critical so many people are of the 86 tour, and 'how toasted his voice was' and 'how erratic and blown out he acted on stage.' Easy to say now, while your sitting at your desk, listening to it by yourself via the internet. What everyone forgets is that these were live performances in front of thousand of people. Although I didn't see this particular tour live, I know a ton of people who have and not one ever had a bad thing to say about Perry, the band, or the show itself. They were all caught up in the excitement of the show, and Perry came off as doing the same. Every person who I know who went to the ROR concert all said the same...great show, Perry was amazing. If there were 22,000 people at the show, there were 22,000 asses out of their seats partying and singing. Look at the live crowd in the GCHI video...nobody looks disappointed.

Just saying, take these live clips for what they were: live, energetic performances. Not for what they are now: fuzzy bootlegs streamed through computer speakers.



Fans of the band are fans of the band. But I agree, Art, as I went to a concert with Arnel and swore it was perfect ... only to get back, listen to some of the youtube clips and think, man, did I drink that much or is that the wrong show. :lol: But it was neither. It's just that crowd noise, my brutal singing and a few beers generally drown out any imperfections. Same with FTLOSM. I look back now and see some of those brutal youtubes and can't comprehend that that's how he sounded when I saw him. But he probably did. Doesn't matter, though, because I had an absolute blast! :)

And that's always been one of my biggest gripes about Steve Perry. The critics shat all over him and the rest of the band for years, if not decades. But now he seems unwilling to perform the farewell show or shows because of how these jackoffs may perceive him?!?! Fuck them! Do it for the fans. And save the perfectionist bullshit, too. Parts of the ROR tour, Againt The Wall, The Bill Graham debacle, FTLOSM and the general sound of the instruments on that tour prove he's anything but a perfectionist. That's a myth ... always has been. Relative to the other guys, I'd say he's a bit more discerning but not all that much. If you've got enough for a handful of shows, let it rip, Steve. No one that matters will be disappointed with the shows. :wink:


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Postby Art Vandelay » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:10 am

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Art Vandelay wrote:It's funny how critical so many people are of the 86 tour, and 'how toasted his voice was' and 'how erratic and blown out he acted on stage.' Easy to say now, while your sitting at your desk, listening to it by yourself via the internet. What everyone forgets is that these were live performances in front of thousand of people. Although I didn't see this particular tour live, I know a ton of people who have and not one ever had a bad thing to say about Perry, the band, or the show itself. They were all caught up in the excitement of the show, and Perry came off as doing the same. Every person who I know who went to the ROR concert all said the same...great show, Perry was amazing. If there were 22,000 people at the show, there were 22,000 asses out of their seats partying and singing. Look at the live crowd in the GCHI video...nobody looks disappointed.

Just saying, take these live clips for what they were: live, energetic performances. Not for what they are now: fuzzy bootlegs streamed through computer speakers.



Fans of the band are fans of the band. But I agree, Art, as I went to a concert with Arnel and swore it was perfect ... only to get back, listen to some of the youtube clips and think, man, did I drink that much or is that the wrong show. :lol: But it was neither. It's just that crowd noise, my brutal singing and a few beers generally drown out any imperfections. Same with FTLOSM. I look back now and see some of those brutal youtubes and can't comprehend that that's how he sounded when I saw him. But he probably did. Doesn't matter, though, because I had an absolute blast! :)

And that's always been one of my biggest gripes about Steve Perry. The critics shat all over him and the rest of the band for years, if not decades. But now he seems unwilling to perform the farewell show or shows because of how these jackoffs may perceive him?!?! Fuck them! Do it for the fans. And save the perfectionist bullshit, too. Parts of the ROR tour, Againt The Wall, The Bill Graham debacle, FTLOSM and the general sound of the instruments on that tour prove he's anything but a perfectionist. That's a myth ... always has been. Relative to the other guys, I'd say he's a bit more discerning but not all that much. If you've got enough for a handful of shows, let it rip, Steve. No one that matters will be disappointed with the shows. :wink:


Yep, I'll admit that what I heard/saw at the Tower Theater in '94 is not what I hear/see on Youtube. Everyone walked out of that theater that night as if they saw the greatest comeback ever.
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Postby Greg » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:53 am

Andrew stated something to the affect downstairs that Perry's "physical condition" is prohibiting him from singing for extended periods of time. Something about him still feeling discomfort? I'm probably not quoting him exactly right, but I wished I knew more of this story. Maybe it would shed some light on why we haven't heard from him in awhile.
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Postby Blueskies » Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:10 am

Greg wrote:Andrew stated something to the affect downstairs that Perry's "physical condition" is prohibiting him from singing for extended periods of time. Something about him still feeling discomfort? I'm probably not quoting him exactly right, but I wished I knew more of this story. Maybe it would shed some light on why we haven't heard from him in awhile.


Its quite possible that a degenerative bone condition didn't stop at one hip. Don't know, just sayin'.
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Postby Gideon » Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:11 am

Art Vandelay wrote:Just saying, take these live clips for what they were: live, energetic performances. Not for what they are now: fuzzy bootlegs streamed through computer speakers.


There were people crowing that Perry's singing at the White Sox victory celebration was absolutely flawless. There were Pinheads believing Arnel's Superbowl crooning was the second coming. Why should I believe what fans say when my ears tell me different?
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Postby brywool » Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:21 am

Art Vandelay wrote:It's funny how critical so many people are of the 86 tour, and 'how toasted his voice was' and 'how erratic and blown out he acted on stage.' Easy to say now, while your sitting at your desk, listening to it by yourself via the internet. What everyone forgets is that these were live performances in front of thousand of people. Although I didn't see this particular tour live, I know a ton of people who have and not one ever had a bad thing to say about Perry, the band, or the show itself. They were all caught up in the excitement of the show, and Perry came off as doing the same. Every person who I know who went to the ROR concert all said the same...great show, Perry was amazing. If there were 22,000 people at the show, there were 22,000 asses out of their seats partying and singing. Look at the live crowd in the GCHI video...nobody looks disappointed.

Just saying, take these live clips for what they were: live, energetic performances. Not for what they are now: fuzzy bootlegs streamed through computer speakers.



And yet.... the same critiques have happened with each singer. It's just what MR does.
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Postby brywool » Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:22 am

Greg wrote:Andrew stated something to the affect downstairs that Perry's "physical condition" is prohibiting him from singing for extended periods of time. Something about him still feeling discomfort? I'm probably not quoting him exactly right, but I wished I knew more of this story. Maybe it would shed some light on why we haven't heard from him in awhile.


Um, yeah... maybe THE MAN himself could enlighten "The Faithful Ones".

You'd think, but NO.
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Postby SF-Dano » Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:52 am

It's funny how critical so many people are of the 86 tour, and 'how toasted his voice was' and 'how erratic and blown out he acted on stage.' Easy to say now, while your sitting at your desk, listening to it by yourself via the internet. What everyone forgets is that these were live performances in front of thousand of people. Although I didn't see this particular tour live, I know a ton of people who have and not one ever had a bad thing to say about Perry, the band, or the show itself. They were all caught up in the excitement of the show, and Perry came off as doing the same. Every person who I know who went to the ROR concert all said the same...great show, Perry was amazing. If there were 22,000 people at the show, there were 22,000 asses out of their seats partying and singing. Look at the live crowd in the GCHI video...nobody looks disappointed.


I was there. Mountain Aire Festival in Angels Camp, CA. This was at the beginning of the ROR tour. Perry was in fine voice at this show and the crowd was absolutely lovin every minute. And this was after a day full of bands(Honeymoon Suite, The Outfield,Glass Tiger, Andy Taylor, etc.) in 90+degree weather. Saw them again at the Cow Palace in SF towards the end of the tour. Still a good show, but the fatigue in Perry's voice was evident on some songs. But don't get me wrong, still had a blast.
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Postby Art Vandelay » Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:54 am

Gideon wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:Just saying, take these live clips for what they were: live, energetic performances. Not for what they are now: fuzzy bootlegs streamed through computer speakers.


There were people crowing that Perry's singing at the White Sox victory celebration was absolutely flawless. There were Pinheads believing Arnel's Superbowl crooning was the second coming. Why should I believe what fans say when my ears tell me different?


My point was that at the ROR/FTLOSM concerts, people were there to enjoy and embrace the moment. Nobody complained at the time. Much easier to criticize when each second could be analyzed through amateur quality videos and recordings. And this doesn't just apply to Perry and Journey, not by a long shot.
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Postby Deb » Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:58 am

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It's funny how critical so many people are of the 86 tour, and 'how toasted his voice was' and 'how erratic and blown out he acted on stage.' Easy to say now, while your sitting at your desk, listening to it by yourself via the internet. What everyone forgets is that these were live performances in front of thousand of people. Although I didn't see this particular tour live, I know a ton of people who have and not one ever had a bad thing to say about Perry, the band, or the show itself. They were all caught up in the excitement of the show, and Perry came off as doing the same. Every person who I know who went to the ROR concert all said the same...great show, Perry was amazing. If there were 22,000 people at the show, there were 22,000 asses out of their seats partying and singing. Look at the live crowd in the GCHI video...nobody looks disappointed.


I was there. Mountain Aire Festival in Angels Camp, CA. This was at the beginning of the ROR tour. Perry was in fine voice at this show and the crowd was absolutely lovin every minute. And this was after a day full of bands(Honeymoon Suite, The Outfield,Glass Tiger, Andy Taylor, etc.) in 90+degree weather. Saw them again at the Cow Palace in SF towards the end of the tour. Still a good show, but the fatigue in Perry's voice was evident on some songs. But don't get me wrong, still had a blast.


Damn, love me some Andy Taylor and HS, I remember when the question came up once here on MR......posting this as the one Journey concert I would most like to have gone back in time to see. Even more so now that AT and HS were in the lineup too. 8)
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Postby JohnH » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:44 am

Oh my god... I just checked Journey's tour dates today....Four months- straight- on the road from now until October!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby Don » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:47 am

JohnH wrote:Oh my god... I just checked Journey's tour dates today....Four months- straight- on the road from now until October!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


There's no three shows in a row so it s not as many gigs as it first looks like. Something like 50 shows over 90 days. It's actually on par with the number of shows they performed in 2008 except back then they did run a lot of shows back to back.
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Postby Greg » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:28 pm

brywool wrote:
Greg wrote:Andrew stated something to the affect downstairs that Perry's "physical condition" is prohibiting him from singing for extended periods of time. Something about him still feeling discomfort? I'm probably not quoting him exactly right, but I wished I knew more of this story. Maybe it would shed some light on why we haven't heard from him in awhile.


Um, yeah... maybe THE MAN himself could enlighten "The Faithful Ones".

You'd think, but NO.


You guys wouldn't believe him if he did.
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Postby steveo777 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:30 pm

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brywool wrote:
Greg wrote:Andrew stated something to the affect downstairs that Perry's "physical condition" is prohibiting him from singing for extended periods of time. Something about him still feeling discomfort? I'm probably not quoting him exactly right, but I wished I knew more of this story. Maybe it would shed some light on why we haven't heard from him in awhile.


Um, yeah... maybe THE MAN himself could enlighten "The Faithful Ones".

You'd think, but NO.


You guys wouldn't believe him if he did.


He told us in BTM. He said he's toast.
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Postby Blueskies » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:23 pm

SYNCH wrote:Hmmmnnn... sounds great http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOvRpQ2h1qU


:shock: WOW! Hey, thanks for posting this! I hope you don't mind me reposting it because this deserves a thread of its own!
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Postby Greg » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:25 pm

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brywool wrote:
Greg wrote:Andrew stated something to the affect downstairs that Perry's "physical condition" is prohibiting him from singing for extended periods of time. Something about him still feeling discomfort? I'm probably not quoting him exactly right, but I wished I knew more of this story. Maybe it would shed some light on why we haven't heard from him in awhile.


Um, yeah... maybe THE MAN himself could enlighten "The Faithful Ones".

You'd think, but NO.


You guys wouldn't believe him if he did.


He told us in BTM. He said he's toast.


He said that in 1986.
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Postby Saint John » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:35 pm

SYNCH wrote:Hmmmnnn... sounds great http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOvRpQ2h1qU


Arnel sounded great, but I really didn't dig Neal's solo.
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Postby conversationpc » Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:03 pm

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SYNCH wrote:Hmmmnnn... sounds great http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOvRpQ2h1qU


Arnel sounded great, but I really didn't dig Neal's solo.


I had to turn it off after Arnel's screeching at the beginning of that song. Blech!
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Postby youkeepmewaiting » Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:00 am

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SYNCH wrote:Hmmmnnn... sounds great http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOvRpQ2h1qU


Arnel sounded great, but I really didn't dig Neal's solo.


I had to turn it off after Arnel's screeching at the beginning of that song. Blech!


Errr skip past that bit then maybe? Difficult I know
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:29 am

Blueskies wrote:
Greg wrote:Andrew stated something to the affect downstairs that Perry's "physical condition" is prohibiting him from singing for extended periods of time. Something about him still feeling discomfort? I'm probably not quoting him exactly right, but I wished I knew more of this story. Maybe it would shed some light on why we haven't heard from him in awhile.


Its quite possible that a degenerative bone condition didn't stop at one hip. Don't know, just sayin'.


Could be anxiety? Dude's a basket case.
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Postby S2M » Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:33 am

Blueskies wrote:
Greg wrote:Andrew stated something to the affect downstairs that Perry's "physical condition" is prohibiting him from singing for extended periods of time. Something about him still feeling discomfort? I'm probably not quoting him exactly right, but I wished I knew more of this story. Maybe it would shed some light on why we haven't heard from him in awhile.


Its quite possible that a degenerative bone condition didn't stop at one hip. Don't know, just sayin'.



Doesn't stop the dude from attending Giants' games, and didn't stop him from collaborating with Pack...Perry is that star athelete that plays out that first contract out of college, and doesn't sign another one....a la Barry Sanders.
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Postby onmyjrny » Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:54 am

SYNCH wrote:Hmmmnnn... sounds great http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOvRpQ2h1qU


I've never understood why they do the harmony on "turning" this way sometimes. It just has never sounded right to me.
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Postby Saint John » Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:55 am

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Blueskies wrote:
Greg wrote:Andrew stated something to the affect downstairs that Perry's "physical condition" is prohibiting him from singing for extended periods of time. Something about him still feeling discomfort? I'm probably not quoting him exactly right, but I wished I knew more of this story. Maybe it would shed some light on why we haven't heard from him in awhile.


Its quite possible that a degenerative bone condition didn't stop at one hip. Don't know, just sayin'.


Could be anxiety? Dude's a basket case.


Agreed. He's said to be an avid hiker, and even talked recently about how he likes to hike and hit a trail with his Mac computer and just unwind. That would seem to eliminate any physical ailment. But not mental.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:56 am

S2M wrote:and didn't stop him from collaborating with Pack...


Nice song, but to be fair, Perry delivers almost a ghost backing vocal. I highly doubt it was a strenuous process.
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Postby brywool » Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:01 am

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JohnH wrote:Oh my god... I just checked Journey's tour dates today....Four months- straight- on the road from now until October!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


There's no three shows in a row so it s not as many gigs as it first looks like. Something like 50 shows over 90 days. It's actually on par with the number of shows they performed in 2008 except back then they did run a lot of shows back to back.


Actually, I think there are 3 shows in a row at some point, unless those shows have passed. I remember looking for that very thing.
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Postby brywool » Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:13 am

Greg wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Greg wrote:
brywool wrote:
Greg wrote:Andrew stated something to the affect downstairs that Perry's "physical condition" is prohibiting him from singing for extended periods of time. Something about him still feeling discomfort? I'm probably not quoting him exactly right, but I wished I knew more of this story. Maybe it would shed some light on why we haven't heard from him in awhile.


Um, yeah... maybe THE MAN himself could enlighten "The Faithful Ones".

You'd think, but NO.


You guys wouldn't believe him if he did.


He told us in BTM. He said he's toast.


He said that in 1986.



in 1986, he WAS toast....
Then he did solo stuff including a tour. So obviously he had enough voice left to sing at that point (though in lower keys live). And then the band got back together (TBF). And then he vanished citing a hip issue and pretty much stuck it to the rest of the band. The hip issue has been fixed. Recently it's been "yes, I've been thinking about it." And "I've recorded some tunes". And "I'd like to get back out there". But nothing. And no explanation from the man. He doesn't owe us an explanation, but it'd be nice to put the rumours to rest.

I always wondered if his problems had to do with over steroid use. A lot of steroid use can cause the throat issues he had (and help in a pinch if not overdone) but the stuff can also do weird stuff to your bones and joints- Can you say "Hip Replacement"? This is purely speculative on my part (as is so much of the stuff here). But look at the "Oh Sherrie" video and how much weight he put on. Now look at the earlier shows. The guy was skinny as a rail. For the Oh Sherrie video, he actually was looking pretty heavy (for him). Steroid use can also cause a lot of weight gain.
Hey, in the 80's, lottsa singers used them. But I don't think they realized what they were doing to themselves until it was too late which really sucks. Had Herbie and the band realized it, they could've saved that voice by spacing their shows out more and doing their best to keep him off of anything that'd be detrimental to his chords.

Just my theory. I could be wrong.

Voices are FRAGILE as hell for some people. It didn't seem so for Perry as it did for Augeri. Arnel also doesn't seem as fragile as Augeri. But climate, lack of sleep, air conditioners, not to mention STRESS can really mess with it. When it messes with the voice, you push. When you push, you do damage. If you have a day off to let the swelling in the chords go down, no harm done. If you have show after show after show after show with no break, you're going to have issues.
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Postby Saint John » Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:23 am

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Don wrote:
JohnH wrote:Oh my god... I just checked Journey's tour dates today....Four months- straight- on the road from now until October!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


There's no three shows in a row so it s not as many gigs as it first looks like. Something like 50 shows over 90 days. It's actually on par with the number of shows they performed in 2008 except back then they did run a lot of shows back to back.


Actually, I think there are 3 shows in a row at some point, unless those shows have passed. I remember looking for that very thing.


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