Omaha Show

[Saint John]

Best estimate is half step down. Regardless, seemingly unnoticeable. Night Ranger rocked! Journey was received well, too Shockingly, COH was received VERY well. Not by me, though! COL was amazing and went over well, as was Tantra. EOTM was a dud.

[Lerxst101]

I agree that AIP is going to make its way into the setlist, and I could even see Ritual and/or TWIMC. Mind you, I'd much prefer to see Edge of the Moment, COL, Resonate, and even SAM. I just know how much it kills Neal to see fans in their seats when playing the new ones, so I hope he and the band close their eyes and just play the news -- promote the heck out of the CD, whether or not it's DOA. But I do think they should actually edit down a few of them -- concert goers just don't have the patience to sit through a 6:00+ minute new song. How 'bout an extended medley of a few of them? Maybe that's a horrendous idea, but I just want to see them introduce more of their new music.

My fear is that by the time they play at the Arts Center in Jersey, there will be two new ones left in the set at best.

[Gideon]

I find the lack of 'Resonate' to be more than mildly disturbing.

[kmjrr]

They weren't stepped down last night.

It was a GREAT show. My 12 year-old son and I had an awesome time in the 5th row, dead center. Luckily Joey had an empty seat in front of him - He stood on his seat for almost the entire show!

[jrnyjetster]

What is the tuning (original or half-step-down)?"

Oh for cripes sake...who gives a shit...really!

[TheEyesofaWoman]

I felt bad for Night Ranger. They came on while the sun was still up, people were still coming into the stadium and nobody had drunk enough beer. It was so oppressive and hot. Towards the end of their set, people started to loosen up a bit. Even after the sun went down, it was hot. Arnel had sweat pooring off him like it was water. Despite the heat, they both put on a good concert.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

I felt bad for Night Ranger. They came on while the sun was still up, people were still coming into the stadium and nobody had drunk enough beer. It was so oppressive and hot. Towards the end of their set, people started to loosen up a bit. Even after the sun went down, it was hot. Arnel had sweat pooring off him like it was water. Despite the heat, they both put on a good concert.

Huh. Who would have thought it would be hot outside in mid-July in the middle of the plains?

[WykkedSensation]

EOTM was a dud.

Dan thats because EOTM IS a dud. A BIG one.

[Toph]

Escape. This song has always sucked. Even when he who has never been married sang it.

You are crazy! One of their top 5 of all time.

[Liquid_Drummer]

Escape. This song has always sucked. Even when he who has never been married sang it.

You are crazy! One of their top 5 of all time.

My favorite Journey song to drum to !

[Saint John]

All in all, last night's show was excellent. The band really had to be uncomfortable in the heat. It was close to 100 degrees, even at concert time. Arnel sounded great, the set list was solid and the crowd really ate it up.

[Seven Wishes2]

Don't feel too badly for them. They're generally getting the best reviews, performance-wise, between the three bands on the tour.

[yulog]

They weren't stepped down last night.

It was a GREAT show. My 12 year-old son and I had an awesome time in the 5th row, dead center. Luckily Joey had an empty seat in front of him - He stood on his seat for almost the entire show!

The videos sound like at least a half step down, ask the lonely sounds like a full step.

[Ritchie]

They weren't stepped down last night.

It was a GREAT show. My 12 year-old son and I had an awesome time in the 5th row, dead center. Luckily Joey had an empty seat in front of him - He stood on his seat for almost the entire show!

The videos sound like at least a half step down, ask the lonely sounds like a full step.

All songs a half step down including Ask the lonely.
Understandable when it`s hotter than a snake`s ass outside!

[Gideon]

'Escape' is a pretty good tune, but I'm not following Neal's thought process here: It's not exactly a crowd-favorite or one of their biggest hits, so why throw it into the set when you could be promoting the badass songs (like 'Resonate') from your "new Frontiers"?

Neal, if you're reading, I'm beginning to lose my faith in your ability to think rationally. Get your head out of your ass, ditch 'Escape', and toss in 'Resonate'.

[Gideon]

Pretty decent videos; crowd movement is pretty limited, but that's to be expected with the reported heat. Why they play 'Only the Young' with the cheesy pre-recorded synthesizers I'll never know.

[Greg]

'Escape' is a pretty good tune, but I'm not following Neal's thought process here: It's not exactly a crowd-favorite or one of their biggest hits, so why throw it into the set when you could be promoting the badass songs (like 'Resonate') from your "new Frontiers"?

Neal, if you're reading, I'm beginning to lose my faith in your ability to think rationally. Get your head out of your ass, ditch 'Escape', and toss in 'Resonate'.

I don't know, maybe they're trying to gauge what the audience wants to listen to depending upon location? Venue? Personally, I really like Escape and think its an awesome live song. It's one that I believe is better at kicking off the concert rather than somewhere in the middle. Of course, playing more older songs does nothing to support the new album. Maybe the J guys are thinking that having too many "dark" songs on the playlist will bring the mood of the audience down? Resonate, while a pretty good song, is not a happy, "let's party" type of song that Escape would come closer to being in my opinion.

[NoMoreTails]

Pretty decent videos; crowd movement is pretty limited, but that's to be expected with the reported heat. Why they play 'Only the Young' with the cheesy pre-recorded synthesizers I'll never know.

I've always thought Escape went over pretty well with audiences but I wouldn't mind seeing it cut for one of the new tunes or something from Revelation. I'm way past ready for them to drop OTY and Ask the Lonely which are fine tunes but have been played to death.

[Gideon]

All I know is that for every great decision the band and management makes, they make two to three bad ones. They really baffled me here.

[Don]

Honestly, they'll be stepped down the whole tour, it is just what it is. There is none of this going up and down shit every show that people have talked about.
I've been like others and questioned why they would do that instead of spacing the shows out more but with the way the gigs are spread on the U.S. leg of this tour (sometimes only three or four a week), I think Arnel has shown signs (to the band at least) that his vocals are slowly starting to go down the hill and detuning or whatever you want to call it is really an essential action at this point.
It simply shows that Arnel is human and the clock is ticking for him vocally just like the Journey singers before him. The failure of Eclipse at retail (even three year old Revelation has been outselling it this week at a two to one ratio) has pretty much cemented Journey's road map for here on out, primarily being a touring band so the machine needs to be maintained for live performances.
I don't care how many singers they have been through, Arnel is it as far as journey is concerned so talk of him simply being replaced if he loses it are hogwash as far as I am concerned.
If Pineda is gone the band not only loses a vocalist, they lose a portion of the fanbase that has been for the most part the only marketing team Journey has had over the last few years. For all intents and purposes, with out Arnel (or a reunion with Perry) the Journey will end.
This investment has to be protected or the band dies as a major touring act, it's that simple.

[Tito]

The failure of Eclipse at retail (even three year old Revelation has been outselling it this week at a two to one ratio)

But that's only because Revelation has Greatest Hits on it. Regardless of the fact, the real Greatest Hits is outselling them all (and charting I believe). That's how loyal their fans are, they buy the greatest hits twice.

[Don]

The failure of Eclipse at retail (even three year old Revelation has been outselling it this week at a two to one ratio)

But that's only because Revelation has Greatest Hits on it. Regardless of the fact, the real Greatest Hits is outselling them all (and charting I believe). That's how loyal their fans are, they buy the greatest hits twice.

Journey's Greatest Hits continuously sells at least 3,000 weekly and even Escape has moved 3,000 or more units over the last few weeks.

[yulog]

The failure of Eclipse at retail (even three year old Revelation has been outselling it this week at a two to one ratio)

But that's only because Revelation has Greatest Hits on it. Regardless of the fact, the real Greatest Hits is outselling them all (and charting I believe). That's how loyal their fans are, they buy the greatest hits twice.

Journey's Greatest Hits continuously sells at least 3,000 weekly and even Escape has moved 3,000 or more units over the last few weeks.

What is revelation moving?

[Don]

The failure of Eclipse at retail (even three year old Revelation has been outselling it this week at a two to one ratio)

But that's only because Revelation has Greatest Hits on it. Regardless of the fact, the real Greatest Hits is outselling them all (and charting I believe). That's how loyal their fans are, they buy the greatest hits twice.

Journey's Greatest Hits continuously sells at least 3,000 weekly and even Escape has moved 3,000 or more units over the last few weeks.

What is revelation moving?

Maybe 500 a week. It just started selling with the U.S leg of the tour. Good news for Jeremy I would think. Maybe not a lot of money but cash is cash. I would take it in a heartbeat, that's for sure.

[yulog]

The failure of Eclipse at retail (even three year old Revelation has been outselling it this week at a two to one ratio)

But that's only because Revelation has Greatest Hits on it. Regardless of the fact, the real Greatest Hits is outselling them all (and charting I believe). That's how loyal their fans are, they buy the greatest hits twice.

Journey's Greatest Hits continuously sells at least 3,000 weekly and even Escape has moved 3,000 or more units over the last few weeks.

What is revelation moving?

Maybe 500 a week. It just started selling with the U.S leg of the tour. Good news for Jeremy I would think. Maybe not a lot of money but cash is cash. I would take it in a heartbeat, that's for sure.

So are you saying eclipse is selling 250 copies?

[Don]

The failure of Eclipse at retail (even three year old Revelation has been outselling it this week at a two to one ratio)

But that's only because Revelation has Greatest Hits on it. Regardless of the fact, the real Greatest Hits is outselling them all (and charting I believe). That's how loyal their fans are, they buy the greatest hits twice.

Journey's Greatest Hits continuously sells at least 3,000 weekly and even Escape has moved 3,000 or more units over the last few weeks.

What is revelation moving?

Maybe 500 a week. It just started selling with the U.S leg of the tour. Good news for Jeremy I would think. Maybe not a lot of money but cash is cash. I would take it in a heartbeat, that's for sure.

So are you saying eclipse is selling 250 copies?

Well, I'll break it down a bit. Judging by the average for the last 12 months, you need to sell at least 3,000 records to get on Billboard's chart. On Wal-Mart's own instore chart, really anything out of the top ten won't be on Billboard.
Twice this week, Eclipse has been completely off the Wal-Mart chart and in the 90s the other days. By comparison, Revelation has been in the mid 30s more or less this week, Foreigner in the 70s, The Manila DVD in the 20s and 30s and so on and so on.
I asked a manager in the Electronics area about the store chart and he said, if an albums not on that chart, it means it moving less than 100 copies usually. Now, I'm not sure the guy's word can be taken as gospel but for an album that isn't exclusive to the store, it doesn't mean much as other distributors might have bigger inventory but for a Wal-Mart exclusive, it's not good.

[Don]

Dallas Texas Media is selling Eclipse on Amazon for $18.99 which makes me think Wal-Mart is dumping some of its stock, sort of like when a credit card company sells debt to a collection agency for pennies on the dollar just to get some money back from a bad loan.

Most stores would return inventory back to the labels but Wal-Mart has its own practices and may have some guaranteed sell through number they do on the exclusives, I don't know.

[Greg]

Holy cow! $18.99? LOL! Good luck with that!

[yulog]

The failure of Eclipse at retail (even three year old Revelation has been outselling it this week at a two to one ratio)

But that's only because Revelation has Greatest Hits on it. Regardless of the fact, the real Greatest Hits is outselling them all (and charting I believe). That's how loyal their fans are, they buy the greatest hits twice.

Journey's Greatest Hits continuously sells at least 3,000 weekly and even Escape has moved 3,000 or more units over the last few weeks.

What is revelation moving?

Maybe 500 a week. It just started selling with the U.S leg of the tour. Good news for Jeremy I would think. Maybe not a lot of money but cash is cash. I would take it in a heartbeat, that's for sure.

So are you saying eclipse is selling 250 copies?

Well, I'll break it down a bit. Judging by the average for the last 12 months, you need to sell at least 3,000 records to get on Billboard's chart. On Wal-Mart's onw instore chart, really anything out of the top ten won't be on Billboard.
Twice this week, Eclipse has been completely off the Wal-Mart chart and in the 90s the other days. By comparison, Revelation has been in the mid 30s more or less this week, Foreigner in the 70s, The Manila DVD in the 20s and 30s and so on and so on.
I asked a manager in the Electronics area about the store chart and he said, if an albums not on that chart, it means it moving less than 100 copies usually. Now, I'm not sure the guy's word can be taken as gospel but for an album that isn't exclusive to the store, it doesn't mean much as other distributors might have bigger inventory but for a Wal-Mart exclusive, it's not good.

Considering there are about 4000 walmart stores in the states, thats pretty humbling (less than 1 cd sold in every 40 walmart stores/per week)

[Don]

It could be that people are just assuming that Revelation is the new album. It sure looks like a bargain too when sitting next to Eclipse.
And to think, I've been saying Journey should add a Revelation song to the setlist this tour.