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Postby verslibre » Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:49 pm

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conversationpc wrote:I don't get that. If you have a guy playing a part offstage, what is it going to hurt to just put him in a corner on the stage with the other musicians? People realize that some bands may have an extra musician on stage for some things. It's not that big of a deal.


Thin Lizzy had no problem putting Darren Wharton on a riser next to Brian Downey's kit.

Geoff Nicholls was also onstage with Sabbath. Off to the side, but still ON the stage.

Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe aka ABWH also had the 2nd keyboarder (Matt Clifford) and guitarist (fergit his name) onstage with them. Matt filled out the sound while Wakey wailed away like a mofo.


Ask Van Halen why they never made Alan Fitzgerald visible.


The same reason why Tony Kaye had an offstage backup for the 90125 and Big Generator tours: they didn't want to "explain" him. Except in Kaye's case, everyone knows he's the worst keyboardist Yes ever had. I'm not saying he outright sucked, but he's not up to Wakeman's, Moraz's, Koroshev's or even Downes's level. It's just the way it is. On the Union tour Tony's "solo" was some little wimpy right-hand noodling, while Rick's was an unbelievably display of technical prowess, but still far away better than the kind of wanking Jordan Rudess does nowadays.

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Postby verslibre » Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:50 pm

P.S. Remember that Eddie Van Halen's ego is probably equal in size and scope to those of the members of all the bands I've mentioned — combined! :lol:
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Postby steveo777 » Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:03 pm

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Hollywood wrote:I got to do this for a lot of shows in between classes in the early 90s. I can say one band had 5 keyboard players and a guitar player under the stage to cover the stuff going on stage.


Come on, dude! You can't drop something like that, tease people with it, and then not mention them.

Trixter had a keyboard player behind the stage as their songs had keyboards all over them. They were open about it though and considered him a member of the band, but management wanted a young hip 4-piece band. This guy was a little older probably late 20s, hippie looking guy. Did not fit the look. They credited him on both records and on the live MTV special during the credits it said Trixter is and it had all five guys listed.


I don't get that. If you have a guy playing a part offstage, what is it going to hurt to just put him in a corner on the stage with the other musicians? People realize that some bands may have an extra musician on stage for some things. It's not that big of a deal.


Most reputable bands, like Journey, just keep the extra key notes on a hard drive and don't resort to hiding extra musicians under a stage! :P :wink: :lol:
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Postby yulog » Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:46 pm

Rip Rokken wrote:TRANSLATION: Every song on the album is great except for 1, and 2 are so-so. Almost as good as Eclipse. :)


Ah yes, the kool aid is strong in Rokken :lol:
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Postby DrFU » Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:18 pm

I get to see Yes live with Styx in a couple of weeks. Another band off the bucket list. :)
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Postby yulog » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:30 pm

DrFU wrote:I get to see Yes live with Styx in a couple of weeks. Another band off the kick the bucket list. :)


Ah yes the decrepit tour :shock: I heard there will be a hearse at every show.....just in case :lol:
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:45 pm

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DrFU wrote:I get to see Yes live with Styx in a couple of weeks. Another band off the kick the bucket list. :)


Ah yes the decrepit tour :shock: I heard there will be a hearse at every show.....just in case :lol:


Steve Howe died years ago...He just doesn't realize it yet.
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Postby Don » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:29 am

Debuted at #36 on the Billboard 200. That's got to be a pleasant surprise for them.
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Postby Frontiers65 » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:45 am

I have listened to the new cd now like 10 times....It does grow on you. I think it is much better than I previous posted. The long version of "Hour Of Need" is the best.
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Postby Starrider » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:52 am

Frontiers65 wrote:I have listened to the new cd now like 10 times....It does grow on you. I think it is much better than I previous posted. The long version of "Hour Of Need" is the best.


I have been listening to the CD in my car. I am not a huge Yes fan, but I had heard some of the CD and liked it, so I ordered it. I think it is pretty good.

I hope Benoit David has some training in geriatrics or as a mortician. Look at the picture in the booklet of the band with Trevor Horn. Everyone except Benoit looks old as hell, most likely because they are.
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Postby Frontiers65 » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:45 pm

Starrider wrote:
Frontiers65 wrote:I have listened to the new cd now like 10 times....It does grow on you. I think it is much better than I previous posted. The long version of "Hour Of Need" is the best.


I have been listening to the CD in my car. I am not a huge Yes fan, but I had heard some of the CD and liked it, so I ordered it. I think it is pretty good.

I hope Benoit David has some training in geriatrics or as a mortician. Look at the picture in the booklet of the band with Trevor Horn. Everyone except Benoit looks old as hell, most likely because they are.



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Postby verslibre » Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:59 pm

Frontiers65 wrote:The long version of "Hour Of Need" is the best.


That long version is a perfect case of audio stitchery. The opening and closing segments have nothing to do with the "song" part, which is pretty dull, if you ask me.
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Postby Frontiers65 » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:06 pm

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Frontiers65 wrote:The long version of "Hour Of Need" is the best.


That long version is a perfect case of audio stitchery. The opening and closing segments have nothing to do with the "song" part, which is pretty dull, if you ask me.


Well I do not want to ask you. I think it is great. Only my opinion matters. And yes it does. Yes always have had songs like this. You know nothing. You are a classic case of a dumbass.
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Postby AR » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:45 pm

The single sounds more like the Alan Parsons Project to me than Yes.
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Postby Frontiers65 » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:27 pm

AR wrote:The single sounds more like the Alan Parsons Project to me than Yes.




Well cause it was written by the buggles.... Horn and Downes. Also, Horn produced the cd and Downes is now back in the group.
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Postby AR » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:45 pm

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AR wrote:The single sounds more like the Alan Parsons Project to me than Yes.




Well cause it was written by the buggles.... Horn and Downes. Also, Horn produced the cd and Downes is now back in the group.


I was aware of that. Sort of hoping once they get off the tour with Styx that they will play some stuff off of Drama when they have time for a longer setlist.
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Postby Starrider » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:58 pm

AR wrote:
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AR wrote:The single sounds more like the Alan Parsons Project to me than Yes.




Well cause it was written by the buggles.... Horn and Downes. Also, Horn produced the cd and Downes is now back in the group.


I was aware of that. Sort of hoping once they get off the tour with Styx that they will play some stuff off of Drama when they have time for a longer setlist.


I would be up for that. Into the Lens, Machine Messiah, and Tempus Fugit. Benoit David sounds a lot like Trevor Horn, so I think they'd be able to do justice to the Drama stuff.
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Postby verslibre » Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:03 am

Frontiers65 wrote:
verslibre wrote:
Frontiers65 wrote:The long version of "Hour Of Need" is the best.


That long version is a perfect case of audio stitchery. The opening and closing segments have nothing to do with the "song" part, which is pretty dull, if you ask me.


Well I do not want to ask you. I think it is great. Only my opinion matters. And yes it does. Yes always have had songs like this. You know nothing. You are a classic case of a dumbass.


Fuck you, you dumb fuck. I've been listening to Yes since the '80s and saying "Yes always have had songs like this" only illuminates your ignorance and fanboyness. This isn't the title track of "Going For The One" or "The Gates Of Delirium." The opening and closing were clearly a separate composition that originally had nothing to do with the song part written by Steve. If it were, the long version would be on the CD.

Believe me, I know plenty, and your hair-trigger namecalling says a lot about you. :)
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Postby verslibre » Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:37 am

AR wrote:
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AR wrote:The single sounds more like the Alan Parsons Project to me than Yes.




Well cause it was written by the buggles.... Horn and Downes. Also, Horn produced the cd and Downes is now back in the group.


I was aware of that. Sort of hoping once they get off the tour with Styx that they will play some stuff off of Drama when they have time for a longer setlist.


They probably will, and you can expect those songs to be played at their slowest tempos ever. Alan White can't even stick to the same tempo during a song, so I hear. Geoff Downes has made quite a few flubs. Only Steve Howe is still carrying his weight. You might want to save your money.
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:39 am

verslibre wrote:They probably will, and you can expect those songs to be played at their slowest tempos ever. Alan White can't even stick to the same tempo during a song, so I hear. Geoff Downes has made quite a few flubs. Only Steve Howe is still carrying his weight. You might want to save your money.


I haven't seen Yes live since the Masterworks tour, which was an awesome show, by the way. However, I do have the 35th anniversary show DVD and I thought even then it sounded like they were playing the songs too slow.
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Postby S2M » Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:41 am

The title of the album should be NO

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Postby conversationpc » Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:28 am

S2M wrote:The title of the album should be NO

:lol:


I actually think they should do an album with that title.
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Postby verslibre » Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:03 am

conversationpc wrote:
verslibre wrote:They probably will, and you can expect those songs to be played at their slowest tempos ever. Alan White can't even stick to the same tempo during a song, so I hear. Geoff Downes has made quite a few flubs. Only Steve Howe is still carrying his weight. You might want to save your money.


I haven't seen Yes live since the Masterworks tour, which was an awesome show, by the way. However, I do have the 35th anniversary show DVD and I thought even then it sounded like they were playing the songs too slow.


It's hilarious to read about the Wakeman haters trying to blame Rick for stuff like that, when it was pretty much Alan and Chris. Wakeman's one of the fastest synth players alive, and the concept of him making the band drag is nimrodic.
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:12 am

verslibre wrote:
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verslibre wrote:They probably will, and you can expect those songs to be played at their slowest tempos ever. Alan White can't even stick to the same tempo during a song, so I hear. Geoff Downes has made quite a few flubs. Only Steve Howe is still carrying his weight. You might want to save your money.


I haven't seen Yes live since the Masterworks tour, which was an awesome show, by the way. However, I do have the 35th anniversary show DVD and I thought even then it sounded like they were playing the songs too slow.


It's hilarious to read about the Wakeman haters trying to blame Rick for stuff like that, when it was pretty much Alan and Chris. Wakeman's one of the fastest synth players alive, and the concept of him making the band drag is nimrodic.


Typically when that kind of thing happens with a band, you can usually look at the drummer and bassist, in my experience anyway. Those are the guys who are usually driving the band. I thought Wakeman's playing really stood out easily on that 35th anniversary show, to tell the truth.
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Postby verslibre » Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:25 am

Rick Wakeman is one of the best rock keyboardists ever. He's recorded a lot of solo cheese, but his good solo albums and his playing in Yes far outweigh the forgettable stuff. Really funny guy, too.

Geoff Downes, OTOH, doesn't have much to write home about apart from Drama, Buggles (big whoop), Asia (a few good albums, a bunch of crappy ones) and what else? I do like two of his New Dance Orchestra solo synth CDs. But really, comparison-wise, he's no Wakeman.
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:30 am

verslibre wrote:Rick Wakeman is one of the best rock keyboardists ever. He's recorded a lot of solo cheese, but his good solo albums and his playing in Yes far outweigh the forgettable stuff. Really funny guy, too.


I love the story about him having a tool shed built back stage during the Union tour in response to Anderson's teepee. :lol:

But really, comparison-wise, he's no Wakeman.


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Postby Frontiers65 » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:19 pm

verslibre wrote:
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Frontiers65 wrote:The long version of "Hour Of Need" is the best.


That long version is a perfect case of audio stitchery. The opening and closing segments have nothing to do with the "song" part, which is pretty dull, if you ask me.


Well I do not want to ask you. I think it is great. Only my opinion matters. And yes it does. Yes always have had songs like this. You know nothing. You are a classic case of a dumbass.


Fuck you, you dumb fuck. I've been listening to Yes since the '80s and saying "Yes always have had songs like this" only illuminates your ignorance and fanboyness. This isn't the title track of "Going For The One" or "The Gates Of Delirium." The opening and closing were clearly a separate composition that originally had nothing to do with the song part written by Steve. If it were, the long version would be on the
You are the dumbest person one here... I have seen YES 7 TIMES and Know Alan White personally..so go give your yourelf f..


I have seen then 7 times and been a fan since 1978 you fuck!


Go fuck yourself you loser! You Know nothing about yes!
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Postby verslibre » Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:56 am

Oh, wow, look — a name-drop! He-she thinks s/he's special because s/he "knows" Alan White. What, does Alan let you replace the float in his toilet tank, loserface? :lol: :lol: :lol:


Say, you might want to relax and focus a bit, so you don't run up the typo counter on your messages. I thought "your yourelf" was a reference to Jon, and if you want to tap his fairy elf ass, you'll find no competition from me. I don't roll that way.

Or were you having a stroke while you were typing? :lol:

And you're still fucking wrong about "Hour Of Need." And FFH still sucks! No Wakeman...no Yes!!! :lol: :lol:
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Postby Frontiers65 » Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:53 am

verslibre wrote:Oh, wow, look — a name-drop! He-she thinks s/he's special because s/he "knows" Alan White. What, does Alan let you replace the float in his toilet tank, loserface? :lol: :lol: :lol:


Say, you might want to relax and focus a bit, so you don't run up the typo counter on your messages. I thought "your yourelf" was a reference to Jon, and if you want to tap his fairy elf ass, you'll find no competition from me. I don't roll that way.

Or were you having a stroke while you were typing? :lol:

And you're still fucking wrong about "Hour Of Need." And FFH still sucks! No Wakeman...no Yes!!! :lol: :lo



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Postby johnroxx » Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:08 am

I can't think of ANY band, even among the most keyboard-heavy, that would require FIVE players to achieve a reasonable live reproduction. If that were true, none of the five could have been worth a fuck.

Sorry, but I'm calling absolute and total bullshit on that story...

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