Anyone that thinks the OWS movement is admirable....

[G.I.Jim]

Well, I've noticed that a GREAT majority of the people that are against the OWS movement, and I'm talking about the actual ones with a message about crony capitalism/lack of jobs/fat cat wall street execs....etc, are the ones who HAVE a job....so the plight of the less fortunate barely registers on their radar - unless there is some ragging/complaining to do at their expense....just saying.

To me, it would make more sense to be using those days putting in resumes and going on job interviews rather than to be spending all day long picketing for more government assistance. And don't tell me there are no jobs to work at. There's still jobs even in my lowly little area of high unemployment. It's just that people are not willing to accept the less than perfect job or to face the facts that if they borrow money for college, they need to pay it back.

Again, my point WAS...99% of the people complaining about the OWS movement HAVE jobs....most people have a very skewed view of things. They tend to ONLY look at their own situation when making VERY important decisions. "Fuck the country as a whole, I'm gonna get mine". e.g. congress.

I think what the INITIAL beef entailed was folks angry over crony capitalism, and bailouts. If corporations can get bailouts, why can't the common folk?

That part makes sense to me.

I agree with this also, but I'll take it a step further. They should have never given ANY corporations a bail-out. They should have let it play out, and let the market dictate who will succeed and who will fail. The government has no right to decide who will succeed or who will fail!

[artist4perry]

I am with GI. In a normal market a business rises or falls on its own merits. By bailing them out we make them beggars who don't have to actually succeed on their own merits, but can mess up time and again and they get a handout. When you get things for nothing you develop this reliant cycle. Welfare was to help the poor out of poverty, unfortunately more often than not it has become a generational way of life. I had a student tell me she did not care about school, she was going to sit at home and have babies and get her check just like her momma.

[Ehwmatt]

I am with GI. In a normal market a business rises or falls on its own merits. By bailing them out we make them beggars who don't have to actually succeed on their own merits, but can mess up time and again and they get a handout. When you get things for nothing you develop this reliant cycle. Welfare was to help the poor out of poverty, unfortunately more often than not it has become a generational way of life. I had a student tell me she did not care about school, she was going to sit at home and have babies and get her check just like her momma.

I'll correct your wording here: it's not a generational thing, it's a cultural thing. Infer the rest.

[Rockindeano]

I agree with this also, but I'll take it a step further. They should have never given ANY corporations a bail-out. They should have let it play out, and let the market dictate who will succeed and who will fail. The government has no right to decide who will succeed or who will fail!

Moron. The auto industry was rightfully bailed out. They repayed their loans. Gee, how many jobs did that save? Hundreds of thousands.

Want to talk about bailouts? Should the airlines have been bailed out after 9/11, to the tune of 15 billion dollars? It was THEIR fault that hijackers were allowed into cockpits. It is THEIR responsibility to protect its' passengers and crew. Was the US Govt correct in givin g them 15 billion?

Again, you Tea Baggers are too much. You hate anything government; post offices, light rail, stop lights, medicare, so on. It's laughable. It's my fault for even responding to you.

[Rockindeano]

I am with GI. In a normal market a business rises or falls on its own merits. By bailing them out we make them beggars who don't have to actually succeed on their own merits, but can mess up time and again and they get a handout. When you get things for nothing you develop this reliant cycle. Welfare was to help the poor out of poverty, unfortunately more often than not it has become a generational way of life. I had a student tell me she did not care about school, she was going to sit at home and have babies and get her check just like her momma.

Get things for free? You mean like the education you give to young kids that the evil government pays for? That type of "free thing?"

[artist4perry]

I am with GI. In a normal market a business rises or falls on its own merits. By bailing them out we make them beggars who don't have to actually succeed on their own merits, but can mess up time and again and they get a handout. When you get things for nothing you develop this reliant cycle. Welfare was to help the poor out of poverty, unfortunately more often than not it has become a generational way of life. I had a student tell me she did not care about school, she was going to sit at home and have babies and get her check just like her momma.

Get things for free? You mean like the education you give to young kids that the evil government pays for? That type of "free thing?"

Actually the people pay for education, the government doles it out where they see fit, many times screwing up education.

Who pays for those bail outs? We the people. Who profits from them? We the greedy corporate people with bonuses not deserved. The government has now made corporations reliant on bail outs. Think for a minute, what has Fanny Maye come begging for again?

[artist4perry]

I am with GI. In a normal market a business rises or falls on its own merits. By bailing them out we make them beggars who don't have to actually succeed on their own merits, but can mess up time and again and they get a handout. When you get things for nothing you develop this reliant cycle. Welfare was to help the poor out of poverty, unfortunately more often than not it has become a generational way of life. I had a student tell me she did not care about school, she was going to sit at home and have babies and get her check just like her momma.

I'll correct your wording here: it's not a generational thing, it's a cultural thing. Infer the rest.

It is generational, from one parent to child. Many ethic groups including white. So what are you inferring? The student I spoke of was white.

[G.I.Jim]

I am with GI. In a normal market a business rises or falls on its own merits. By bailing them out we make them beggars who don't have to actually succeed on their own merits, but can mess up time and again and they get a handout. When you get things for nothing you develop this reliant cycle. Welfare was to help the poor out of poverty, unfortunately more often than not it has become a generational way of life. I had a student tell me she did not care about school, she was going to sit at home and have babies and get her check just like her momma.

I'll correct your wording here: it's not a generational thing, it's a cultural thing. Infer the rest.

No, I agree with her, It is generational in the fact that there are 3-4 generations of families on Welfare right now. Women have children at 15 years old, those children have children at 15, and you have 3-4 generations that have grown up in the system that are perfectly content with sitting on their asses while we pay for ALL of it.

THAT is why we're at 15 trillion dollars with this deficit. If the car industry could keep it's businesses relevant and produce cars for a price or with features that car buyers wanted... we wouldn't have had to bail them out. All we did was shell out billions and billions of dollars to companies that have already proven they can't run a successful company. Absolutely ridiculous.

And the people saying "what about their jobs???"... how many of those people were let go after the companies reorganized? Also, if they were let go, they can go find work with successful businesses that aren't failing. To say there aren't any jobs out there is a blatant lie. There are.

Companies fail all the time in this country, That's part of what being in this country is all about. Each and every one of us has the right to pursue happiness and can be successful. If you are an inventor, a business minded person, or come up with things that people want to buy, you CAN be successful.

[G.I.Jim]

I agree with this also, but I'll take it a step further. They should have never given ANY corporations a bail-out. They should have let it play out, and let the market dictate who will succeed and who will fail. The government has no right to decide who will succeed or who will fail!

Moron. The auto industry was rightfully bailed out. They repayed their loans. Gee, how many jobs did that save? Hundreds of thousands.

Want to talk about bailouts? Should the airlines have been bailed out after 9/11, to the tune of 15 billion dollars? It was THEIR fault that hijackers were allowed into cockpits. It is THEIR responsibility to protect its' passengers and crew. Was the US Govt correct in givin g them 15 billion?

Again, you Tea Baggers are too much. You hate anything government; post offices, light rail, stop lights, medicare, so on. It's laughable. It's my fault for even responding to you.

Button the fuck up!!! When you show me videos of what I've asked you to provide TWICE, we will finish this conversation.

[artist4perry]

By the way, we would have been better off teaching a trade with welfare and expecting people to seek employment diligently, not just so they can get a check. Give a man a fish and feed him for a day, teach him to fish and he can eat for life.

[Rockindeano]

Now I remembered why I stopped coming to this place. Thanks for the reminder.

[artist4perry]

Now I remembered why I stopped coming to this place. Thanks for the reminder.

You left because you cannot make everyone see your way? What is it with some of you guys needing to make everyone see things your way? Don't you learn anything from exchanges of ideas differing from your own? If you only want to listen to your own way of thinking your closing your mind off and maybe just maybe missing some great points.

I learn from you guys how to develop an understanding of where your coming from. The world is not of one mind. It is of quite a few minds and opinions. You only learn by listening to others views and exchanging with them.

[Yoda]

Well, I've noticed that a GREAT majority of the people that are against the OWS movement, and I'm talking about the actual ones with a message about crony capitalism/lack of jobs/fat cat wall street execs....etc, are the ones who HAVE a job....so the plight of the less fortunate barely registers on their radar - unless there is some ragging/complaining to do at their expense....just saying.

To me, it would make more sense to be using those days putting in resumes and going on job interviews rather than to be spending all day long picketing for more government assistance. And don't tell me there are no jobs to work at. There's still jobs even in my lowly little area of high unemployment. It's just that people are not willing to accept the less than perfect job or to face the facts that if they borrow money for college, they need to pay it back.

Again, my point WAS...99% of the people complaining about the OWS movement HAVE jobs....most people have a very skewed view of things. They tend to ONLY look at their own situation when making VERY important decisions. "Fuck the country as a whole, I'm gonna get mine". e.g. congress.

I think what the INITIAL beef entailed was folks angry over crony capitalism, and bailouts. If corporations can get bailouts, why can't the common folk?

That part makes sense to me.

I agree with this also, but I'll take it a step further. They should have never given ANY corporations a bail-out. They should have let it play out, and let the market dictate who will succeed and who will fail. The government has no right to decide who will succeed or who will fail!

I definitely agree with that as well. Companies either sink or swim. If they sink, they sink. All this talk about those companies folding being detrimental to this nation's economy was nothing more than a scare tactic. All of that taxpayer money going to these banks in addition to these banks wanting to up their fees also negatively affects the economy. I mean seriously....charging people to use their own hard earned money....how ridiculous! That's what should be protested.

[Yoda]

I am with GI. In a normal market a business rises or falls on its own merits. By bailing them out we make them beggars who don't have to actually succeed on their own merits, but can mess up time and again and they get a handout. When you get things for nothing you develop this reliant cycle. Welfare was to help the poor out of poverty, unfortunately more often than not it has become a generational way of life. I had a student tell me she did not care about school, she was going to sit at home and have babies and get her check just like her momma.

Get things for free? You mean like the education you give to young kids that the evil government pays for? That type of "free thing?"

Just to be clear, the evil government doesn't pay for education, the tax payers do.