T-Bowl getting traded!

[Rip Rokken]

Adios, Broncos...

[Red13JoePa]

Eagles.

[maverick218]

ESPN said this morning that the Pat's may be an option because Belicheck likes him... who knows?

[conversationpc]

ESPN said this morning that the Pat's may be an option because Belicheck likes him... who knows?

I have a hard time believing this...Brady is one of the three or four best QBs ever and he has at least 3 or 4 years, if not longer, left in him.

[Enigma869]

I have a hard time believing this...Brady is one of the three or four best QBs ever and he has at least 3 or 4 years, if not longer, left in him.

Precisely why the move makes ZERO sense. If he came to New England, it certainly wouldn't be to play QB (which would probably be a good thing). I also don't see any team trading for Tebow, given that every team in the league knows that Denver is now going to be forced to cut the guy. Why give up players or draft picks for a guy who is ready to hit the open market, and a guy who simply can't play the position that he was drafted to play!

[conversationpc]

I have a hard time believing this...Brady is one of the three or four best QBs ever and he has at least 3 or 4 years, if not longer, left in him.

Precisely why the move makes ZERO sense. If he came to New England, it certainly wouldn't be to play QB (which would probably be a good thing). I also don't see any team trading for Tebow, given that every team in the league knows that Denver is now going to be forced to cut the guy. Why give up players or draft picks for a guy who is ready to hit the open market, and a guy who simply can't play the position that he was drafted to play!

I think he COULD play the position given the right circumstances...He's a momentum guy, judging by his good play throughout the 4th quarter of games this year. If someone put him in a no-huddle type offense or something like that, he could be SERVICEABLE. Note the emphasis on serviceable. I don't think he'll EVER be a top-notch QB but I think a team could possibly win on a regular basis. Heck, if he could even manage a completion percentage of 55%, he'd have a shot.

[Enigma869]

I think he COULD play the position given the right circumstances...He's a momentum guy, judging by his good play throughout the 4th quarter of games this year. If someone put him in a no-huddle type offense or something like that, he could be SERVICEABLE. Note the emphasis on serviceable. I don't think he'll EVER be a top-notch QB but I think a team could possibly win on a regular basis. Heck, if he could even manage a completion percentage of 55%, he'd have a shot.

I think serviceable is being generous. Be that as it may, teams aren't giving away draft picks and players for a guy who is "serviceable". You can find guys like that anywhere. Hell, I'd take Brian Hoyer (Brady's backup) to play starting QB over Tebow. Tebow throws like I punt.

[Hollywood]

He will be traded. He was signed prior to the new CBA and would cost the Broncos more in cap space to release him than to keep him. I don't know who will trade for him or what the Broncos will get in return, but he will be traded.

Jacksonville is always a possibility as the owner has openly stated his desire for him. It may not work on the field, but it would for the box office and merchandising and these are two areas where Jacksonville is struggling.

New England is absolutely a possibility. Belechik does like Tebow and would keep him a QB in a back up role and develop him, while using him in special formations and plays.

[YoungJRNY]

There's nothing more that can be said from my point of view regarding Tebow. I have a true hate for Tebow because he literally spits in the face of every QB that has made a 7 step drop and methodically moved his football team down the field consistently, starting at 7 years old (most of it is the media's fault for knighting the guy, the other half is his silly religion antics that is clearly nothing but an attention ploy. It was ALWAYS about Tim.)

People say they hate Tom Brady. I've said it numerous times. I don't. I respect the living hell out of him because he's possibly the best orchestrator and smartest QB to ever play, right in the same sentence as Manning if not arguably better. I couldn't believe that punk McDaniel's reached #1 to get Tebow. What a embarrassment. I bet he could throw a better ball with his fucking feet. Now, slide him to H-back or Fullback, I'd have an appreciation because he's a helluva FOOTBALL PLAYER, but far from a Q.B.

[conversationpc]

...the other half is his silly religion antics that is clearly nothing but an attention ploy. It was ALWAYS about Tim.)

I won't defend his QB skills, because he barely has any. However, what you state above is not clear at all. Until he screws up and proves he's not living what he says, there's really no reason to believe otherwise.

[Ehwmatt]

I think he COULD play the position given the right circumstances...He's a momentum guy, judging by his good play throughout the 4th quarter of games this year. If someone put him in a no-huddle type offense or something like that, he could be SERVICEABLE. Note the emphasis on serviceable. I don't think he'll EVER be a top-notch QB but I think a team could possibly win on a regular basis. Heck, if he could even manage a completion percentage of 55%, he'd have a shot.

I think serviceable is being generous. Be that as it may, teams aren't giving away draft picks and players for a guy who is "serviceable". You can find guys like that anywhere. Hell, I'd take Brian Hoyer (Brady's backup) to play starting QB over Tebow. Tebow throws like I punt.

With the Anthony Gonzalez signing, your Pats are dipping deep into my high school alma mater's current NFL stock. I was really good friends with his cousin (one of the funniest people I've ever met), so I got to know him a fair amount. He was also only 2 grades older than me, so I saw him play plenty. If the guy can stay healthy (and that's a huge IF), you guys are getting a guy with GREAT hands and a great work ethic.

[slucero]

I'm hearing 9ers rumors now too...

I wish Harbaugh would just get Smith signed already...

[Hollywood]

There's nothing more that can be said from my point of view regarding Tebow. I have a true hate for Tebow because he literally spits in the face of every QB that has made a 7 step drop and methodically moved his football team down the field consistently, starting at 7 years old (most of it is the media's fault for knighting the guy, the other half is his silly religion antics that is clearly nothing but an attention ploy. It was ALWAYS about Tim.)

People say they hate Tom Brady. I've said it numerous times. I don't. I respect the living hell out of him because he's possibly the best orchestrator and smartest QB to ever play, right in the same sentence as Manning if not arguably better. I couldn't believe that punk McDaniel's reached #1 to get Tebow. What a embarrassment. I bet he could throw a better ball with his fucking feet. Now, slide him to H-back or Fullback, I'd have an appreciation because he's a helluva FOOTBALL PLAYER, but far from a Q.B.

I just can't get on board with any of this statement. He is not a great NFL quarterback and never will be, but he is not his fault for being played, that is the coach's decision. He is not a fault for being drafted in the first round. Nobody has ever questioned his work ethic and the fact that he is working to improve.

He was a great college quarterback and led his team to two national championships and four great years. Nothing he does in the NFL can tarnish this.

His religion 'antics' are genuine to anybody that knows him. He has been doing the same thing his whole life. It is not his fault that people are putting a camera on him all the time. He volunteers his time and money to help needy people. He only once has taken a film crew with him and this was when he was in college. He wasn't getting paid for this. He has never done anything to make people question his authenticity and believe me people are watching him like a hawk. Some who want to bring him down and some who just want the big story to further their careers.

[Rip Rokken]

It's time for the madness to stop...

[Behshad]

[Rip Rokken]

Ha!!! He was a Bronco and now he's a Packer!

[conversationpc]

Ha!!! He was a Bronco and now he's a Packer!

[Enigma869]

With the Anthony Gonzalez signing, your Pats are dipping deep into my high school alma mater's current NFL stock. I was really good friends with his cousin (one of the funniest people I've ever met), so I got to know him a fair amount. He was also only 2 grades older than me, so I saw him play plenty. If the guy can stay healthy (and that's a huge IF), you guys are getting a guy with GREAT hands and a great work ethic.

Interestingly enough, the signing of Gonzalez and Stallworth are the only two signings by the Patriots that I haven't liked. Stallworth doesn't have anything left, and Gonzalez is just one of those guys who are ALWAYS hurt. I'd steer clear of guys like that. Simply not worth occupying a roster spot. Not to mention, with Welker and Edelman, the Patriots are already well stocked with guys who have the same skill set.

[Don]

There's nothing more that can be said from my point of view regarding Tebow. I have a true hate for Tebow because he literally spits in the face of every QB that has made a 7 step drop and methodically moved his football team down the field consistently, starting at 7 years old (most of it is the media's fault for knighting the guy, the other half is his silly religion antics that is clearly nothing but an attention ploy. It was ALWAYS about Tim.)

People say they hate Tom Brady. I've said it numerous times. I don't. I respect the living hell out of him because he's possibly the best orchestrator and smartest QB to ever play, right in the same sentence as Manning if not arguably better. I couldn't believe that punk McDaniel's reached #1 to get Tebow. What a embarrassment. I bet he could throw a better ball with his fucking feet. Now, slide him to H-back or Fullback, I'd have an appreciation because he's a helluva FOOTBALL PLAYER, but far from a Q.B.

I just can't get on board with any of this statement. He is not a great NFL quarterback and never will be, but he is not his fault for being played, that is the coach's decision. He is not a fault for being drafted in the first round. Nobody has ever questioned his work ethic and the fact that he is working to improve.

He was a great college quarterback and led his team to two national championships and four great years. Nothing he does in the NFL can tarnish this.

His religion 'antics' are genuine to anybody that knows him. He has been doing the same thing his whole life. It is not his fault that people are putting a camera on him all the time. He volunteers his time and money to help needy people. He only once has taken a film crew with him and this was when he was in college. He wasn't getting paid for this. He has never done anything to make people question his authenticity and believe me people are watching him like a hawk. Some who want to bring him down and some who just want the big story to further their careers.

I agree with you, Hollywood. I'm as anti-worship as they come but I don't see this guy using it as at a promotional tool. If anything, it's the media that keeps bringing it up.
The guy isn't an NFL quarterback plain and simple but as a football player, he has proven himself whether it be in college, high school whatever. The guy led his college team to a championship and was a big contributor on them winning another. He did make the plays in a number of NFL games which HELPED the Broncos make it into the playoffs, which is what a team's goal is anyway.
At the pro- level, he has ALWAYS deferred to his team mates/ defense for the victories that the Broncos achieved when he started. He is the reason for Tebow mania but he didn't create it.
Like Arnel Pineda, the guy is living his dream. As a matter of fact, Tebow has given more money to charitable causes in the Philippines than Pineda has, believe it or not. He works hard at trying t oget better at his job and he shares his earnings with the less fortunate, not much more can be asked of the guy.

[YoungJRNY]

There's nothing more that can be said from my point of view regarding Tebow. I have a true hate for Tebow because he literally spits in the face of every QB that has made a 7 step drop and methodically moved his football team down the field consistently, starting at 7 years old (most of it is the media's fault for knighting the guy, the other half is his silly religion antics that is clearly nothing but an attention ploy. It was ALWAYS about Tim.)

People say they hate Tom Brady. I've said it numerous times. I don't. I respect the living hell out of him because he's possibly the best orchestrator and smartest QB to ever play, right in the same sentence as Manning if not arguably better. I couldn't believe that punk McDaniel's reached #1 to get Tebow. What a embarrassment. I bet he could throw a better ball with his fucking feet. Now, slide him to H-back or Fullback, I'd have an appreciation because he's a helluva FOOTBALL PLAYER, but far from a Q.B.

I just can't get on board with any of this statement. He is not a great NFL quarterback and never will be, but he is not his fault for being played, that is the coach's decision. He is not a fault for being drafted in the first round. Nobody has ever questioned his work ethic and the fact that he is working to improve.

He was a great college quarterback and led his team to two national championships and four great years. Nothing he does in the NFL can tarnish this.

His religion 'antics' are genuine to anybody that knows him. He has been doing the same thing his whole life. It is not his fault that people are putting a camera on him all the time. He volunteers his time and money to help needy people. He only once has taken a film crew with him and this was when he was in college. He wasn't getting paid for this. He has never done anything to make people question his authenticity and believe me people are watching him like a hawk. Some who want to bring him down and some who just want the big story to further their careers.

I respect your opinion. NOTHING that can be said can change my mind and I don't really care what anybody thinks of my observation of Tebow. I've followed Tebow for most of his career and the junk he spews is nothing short of knowing exactly where the camera is. As for the coach's "decision" statement, what a laugh. When you have a HUGE prospect like Tim Tebow coming out of college with nothing but a BAD rap sheet in what his resume insues as a QB, the job he has applied for, then a lot of scrutiny comes with how you bring him into the league because of his popularity rather than what he brings to a football team from a quarterback standpoint.

Josh McDaniel's took the bait and the Bronco's could NEVER shake it, even when he was winning. The type of circus that comes with this kid is simply not worth it and Elway couldn't be happier to ship this goon off to another city to where nothing but Hollywood fabrication would ensue with such piss-poor performances that only put pressure on teams to play him because of his over-pour of popularity. This dude's career won't last long.

That's my problem. People seem to catch on to this guy for how good of a person he is and what he has done in college football but fail to realize he lacks the QB skills to last on ANY football team in the NFL. For Tebow to catapult over a better skilled passer like Brady Quinn, who EARNED his #2 position on the coaching staff in training camp just because the head coach was was pressured into it is an insult to the guys that are 3rd string who can throw the ball better than Tebow any day of the week. My problems with Tebow lay on his inability to do his job at quarterback but everyone act like it's okay just because he won a handful of games (looking dreadful in each contest) when it clearly isn't considering how AWFUL he is. He does not deserve the accolades he receives from his pathetic performances that we have seen.

[marco17]

I'm hearing 9ers rumors now too...

I wish Harbaugh would just get Smith signed already...

9ers are not interested in Tebow... The issue is that that 9ers want to resign Smith, but he feels slighted because they went after Manning. That being said, there is little to no interest Smith outside the 9ers, so once Smith deals with his emotions, I am sure he'll sign the contract that they've had on the table.

[verslibre]

Football: It's not whether you win or lose...you're still going to slap your buddy's ass in the showers after the game.

[Angel]

I respect your opinion. NOTHING that can be said can change my mind and I don't really care what anybody thinks of my observation of Tebow. I've followed Tebow for most of his career and the junk he spews is nothing short of knowing exactly where the camera is.

I can totally understand the criticism of Tebow's QB abilities but I really can't understand attacking his character. What exactly is it that makes you say "the junk he spews is nothing short of knowing exactly where the camera is?"

[YoungJRNY]

I respect your opinion. NOTHING that can be said can change my mind and I don't really care what anybody thinks of my observation of Tebow. I've followed Tebow for most of his career and the junk he spews is nothing short of knowing exactly where the camera is.

I can totally understand the criticism of Tebow's QB abilities but I really can't understand attacking his character. What exactly is it that makes you say "the junk he spews is nothing short of knowing exactly where the camera is?"

He abuse's his own kindness. He abuse's his own beliefs to the media. His press conference's are literally ILL. He's a cliche' drivin' robot that never amplifies his comfort zone in his own personality when the camera's are around. He comes off as a total fake to me in every sense of the word. Everything about him seems scripted. He just rubs me the wrong way. It's almost like he's programmed and was ready for what has happened to him, regardless of how he stinks it up on the field. If that was ME, and I played competitive football, to go onto the media after pitiful performances and smile from ear to ear and talk about the grace of God and how we are one, just wouldn't fly for me. I don't know about anyone else.

As a person, I'd ask him to be the best man in my wedding, but his his personality comes a sense of bullshit. That's how I feel though. I wish I didn't feel that way because his story is great for the NFL.

[Rip Rokken]

Trav, my geography is weak, but is PA close to DC? Come join me at the Reason Rally next weekend - www.reasonrally.org

Next weekend we put the final nail into the coffin of faith.

[Hollywood]

Trav, my geography is weak, but is PA close to DC? Come join me at the Reason Rally next weekend - www.reasonrally.org

Next weekend we put the final nail into the coffin of faith.

Rip,

I thought the Reason Rally was to celebrate our Country's freedom of religion and protect equal right and representation of every citizen regardless of belief. However your last sentence seems to indicate that you intend to prove everyone of faith is wrong and you are right. That seems just as bad as people of any faith's condemnation of non-believers.

[verslibre]

I think Rip's been doing too much posting "under the influence" as of late.

[Angel]

He abuse's his own kindness. He abuse's his own beliefs to the media. His press conference's are literally ILL. He's a cliche' drivin' robot that never amplifies his comfort zone in his own personality when the camera's are around. He comes off as a total fake to me in every sense of the word. Everything about him seems scripted. He just rubs me the wrong way. It's almost like he's programmed and was ready for what has happened to him, regardless of how he stinks it up on the field. If that was ME, and I played competitive football, to go onto the media after pitiful performances and smile from ear to ear and talk about the grace of God and how we are one, just wouldn't fly for me. I don't know about anyone else.

As a person, I'd ask him to be the best man in my wedding, but his his personality comes a sense of bullshit. That's how I feel though. I wish I didn't feel that way because his story is great for the NFL.

I find it interesting that you see it that way. I see it the exact opposite....he has always been very involved in charities, religion has always been a major part of his life and he's an all around good person-he doesn't hide that and he's not ashamed of it and I find it very admirable.

[YoungJRNY]

He abuse's his own kindness. He abuse's his own beliefs to the media. His press conference's are literally ILL. He's a cliche' drivin' robot that never amplifies his comfort zone in his own personality when the camera's are around. He comes off as a total fake to me in every sense of the word. Everything about him seems scripted. He just rubs me the wrong way. It's almost like he's programmed and was ready for what has happened to him, regardless of how he stinks it up on the field. If that was ME, and I played competitive football, to go onto the media after pitiful performances and smile from ear to ear and talk about the grace of God and how we are one, just wouldn't fly for me. I don't know about anyone else.

As a person, I'd ask him to be the best man in my wedding, but his his personality comes a sense of bullshit. That's how I feel though. I wish I didn't feel that way because his story is great for the NFL.

I find it interesting that you see it that way. I see it the exact opposite....he has always been very involved in charities, religion has always been a major part of his life and he's an all around good person-he doesn't hide that and he's not ashamed of it and I find it very admirable.

I agree he's a good man and I admire him making donations to charities as well. I just think he push's it too far and he comes off as obnoxious and fake. He kind of plays a character & it doesn't sit well with me but I do too like the man Tim Tebow. All of his interviews are just full of cliche's. Not one thing he ever says comes from the natural heart or normal emotion. It's always:

"First I would like to thank my savior and lord Jesus Christ for gracing my teammates and myself with the ability to pull this win off. We played with full of heart, determination and we never quit. We are a band of brothers in arms and I am 100% confident in their ability to win football games and I'm just thrilled to be apart of the Denver Broncos and the Denver Broncos organization and I just thank Jesus Christ for giving me this opportunity to play with such a group of men. We are the few we are the proud, we are the Broncos."

See, most of that is ramble. Sometimes you listen to him and say "Uhhuh." I prefer natural emotion that comes from a highly competitive contest. Like Bart's Scott's answer to playing the Steelers in 2010 to go onto the Super Bowl. He responded, snarling "CAN'T WAIT!" That's raw emotion to me. Tebow has none of it.

[pinkfloyd1973]

He can go to the Vikings, since that thing with Favre didn't work out