with Rascal Flatts

[The_Noble_Cause]

I keep waiting to hear an Arnel fronted song on the radio

"After All These Years" got alot of airplay when Revelation came out. Never heard any Augeri era tho.

[knox]

I keep waiting to hear an Arnel fronted song on the radio

"After All These Years" got alot of airplay when Revelation came out. Never heard any Augeri era tho.

I never heard that one here in Knoxville on the radio, but heard it once in Kroger on the piped in music.

[The Sushi Hunter]

What songs did Journey play at shows between the time Steve Perry and Arnel Pineda fronted the band?

The good ones. Perry's stuff.

Exactly.

[The Sushi Hunter]

I keep waiting to hear an Arnel fronted song on the radio

"After All These Years" got alot of airplay when Revelation came out. Never heard any Augeri era tho.

Any wonder? That's the only song on the album my wife and I listen to actually.

[The_Noble_Cause]

And yet, they still play the Perry stuff 99% of the time. If Arnel is such a musical genius, why isn't the modern stuff driving their tours? Why is the Perry stuff STILL so freaking popular?

Answer - because THAT was stellar music. Period. Far above anything they have done since he left.

These are the same tired arguments we heard after the band put out Arrival. Truth is, the band could put out their masterpiece tomorrow. Nobody would care. Similarly, if Perry announced a world tour, those audiences would be hungry for the same greatest hits. Not Against the Wall. Not FTLOSM. Nostalgia drives the touring circuit for any performer from the 70s, 80s, and even the 90s.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Any wonder?

Maybe becuz it was one of two Rev songs that was actually released as a single?

That's the only song on the album my wife and I listen to actually.

It's a nice Journey/Cain schmaltzy ballad. But it's not the only decent song on that cd.

[knox]

And yet, they still play the Perry stuff 99% of the time. If Arnel is such a musical genius, why isn't the modern stuff driving their tours? Why is the Perry stuff STILL so freaking popular?

Answer - because THAT was stellar music. Period. Far above anything they have done since he left.

These are the same tired arguments we heard after the band put out Arrival. Truth is, the band could put out their masterpiece tomorrow. Nobody would care. Similarly, if Perry announced a world tour, those audiences would be hungry for the same greatest hits. Not Against the Wall. Not FTLOSM. Nostalgia drives the touring circuit for any performer from the 70s, 80s, and even the 90s.

The only thing GOOD off of FTLOSM is You Better Wait.

Acceptable tracks are Missing You and Any Way.

It's not Nostalgia for me. It's the quality of music. Something happened to KISS after the 70's as well. Other than Forever, nothing after 78 was any good.

Bon Jovi and Aerosmith, however, had some great music after the 80's. U2, as well.

Though my favorite U2 album will always be War, I appreciate the album How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb. And I am VERY nostalgic for War and Live At Red Rocks.

[knox]

Oh, and to show that I am not a completely closed minded loon...

I LOVE Kiss Me Softly, We Will Meet Again, and Higher Place.

Higher Place could have easily been on Frontiers. It is just a great, great song.

[The Sushi Hunter]

And yet, they still play the Perry stuff 99% of the time. If Arnel is such a musical genius, why isn't the modern stuff driving their tours? Why is the Perry stuff STILL so freaking popular?

Answer - because THAT was stellar music. Period. Far above anything they have done since he left.

These are the same tired arguments we heard after the band put out Arrival. Truth is, the band could put out their masterpiece tomorrow. Nobody would care. Similarly, if Perry announced a world tour, those audiences would be hungry for the same greatest hits. Not Against the Wall. Not FTLOSM. Nostalgia drives the touring circuit for any performer from the 70s, 80s, and even the 90s.

So true about the nostalgia factor.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Any wonder?

Maybe becuz it was one of two Rev songs that was actually released as a single?

That's the only song on the album my wife and I listen to actually.

It's a nice Journey/Cain schmaltzy ballad. But it's not the only decent song on that cd.

I didn't know what was or was not released as singles. After All These Years brought back that feeling we had when we were young in the early 80's and making out while listening to such tunes as "Waiting For A Girl Like You" and "I Won't Hold You Back Now". You remember back in high school.... But with this "After All These Years" tune, it's like going through the same thing but with the girl you did it with back then and until now.

[Gideon]

And yet, they still play the Perry stuff 99% of the time. If Arnel is such a musical genius, why isn't the modern stuff driving their tours? Why is the Perry stuff STILL so freaking popular?

Answer - because THAT was stellar music. Period. Far above anything they have done since he left.

This is a blatant strawman. No one, not even Rip or Chubs to my knowledge, has ever foisted the appellation of "musical genius" on Arnel.

[knox]

And yet, they still play the Perry stuff 99% of the time. If Arnel is such a musical genius, why isn't the modern stuff driving their tours? Why is the Perry stuff STILL so freaking popular?

Answer - because THAT was stellar music. Period. Far above anything they have done since he left.

This is a blatant strawman. No one, not even Rip or Chubs to my knowledge, has ever foisted the appellation of "musical genius" on Arnel.

Fair enough. I went too far there. My apologies.

[The Sushi Hunter]

And yet, they still play the Perry stuff 99% of the time. If Arnel is such a musical genius, why isn't the modern stuff driving their tours? Why is the Perry stuff STILL so freaking popular?

Answer - because THAT was stellar music. Period. Far above anything they have done since he left.

This is a blatant strawman. No one, not even Rip or Chubs to my knowledge, has ever foisted the appellation of "musical genius" on Arnel.

I took that reference of "musical genius" as just being jokingly sarcastic, nothing more, nothing less.

[Gideon]

Doesn't matter, it's an extreme caricature of what TNC, YoungJRNY and others are trying to say. There's a wide gulf between "Arnel doesn't suck" or "Arnel is a good singer" and "Arnel is a musical genius
" or "Mozart 2.0."

[The Sushi Hunter]

Doesn't matter, it's an extreme caricature of what TNC, YoungJRNY and others are trying to say. There's a wide gulf between "Arnel doesn't suck" or "Arnel is a good singer" and "Arnel is a musical genius
" or "Mozart 2.0."

Yeah, but the reference was not intended to be taken seriously.

[knox]

Doesn't matter, it's an extreme caricature of what TNC, YoungJRNY and others are trying to say. There's a wide gulf between "Arnel doesn't suck" or "Arnel is a good singer" and "Arnel is a musical genius
" or "Mozart 2.0."

Yeah, but I still don't think the reference was intended to be taken seriously.

Thank you. We do tend to operate in areas of extremes here.

Listen, Arnel can sing MUCH better than I can. But as far as being the front man for Journey, who is know for 2 things - Vocalist and Melodic Guitar Solos... I just don't think he fits the bill.

Yeah, I go over board a bit trying to get my point across - but that's par for the course here, isn't it?

[Gideon]

Doesn't matter, it's an extreme caricature of what TNC, YoungJRNY and others are trying to say. There's a wide gulf between "Arnel doesn't suck" or "Arnel is a good singer" and "Arnel is a musical genius
" or "Mozart 2.0."

Yeah, but I still don't think the reference was intended to be taken seriously.

Along with the rest of his argument, undoubtedly.

[knox]

Doesn't matter, it's an extreme caricature of what TNC, YoungJRNY and others are trying to say. There's a wide gulf between "Arnel doesn't suck" or "Arnel is a good singer" and "Arnel is a musical genius
" or "Mozart 2.0."

Yeah, but I still don't think the reference was intended to be taken seriously.

Along with the rest of his argument, undoubtedly.

No... I stand by everything else

[Gideon]

Thank you. We do tend to operate in areas of extremes here.

Listen, Arnel can sing MUCH better than I can. But as far as being the front man for Journey, who is know for 2 things - Vocalist and Melodic Guitar Solos... I just don't think he fits the bill.

Yeah, I go over board a bit trying to get my point across - but that's par for the course here, isn't it?

Put yourself on Youtube and let Neal be the judge of that. You may get a hell of a job offer.
Arnel clearly has issues and imperfections as a singer. I'm not sure if you've actually seen him live, but to the layman, I've found they're imperceptible. Recording-wise, they're extremely noticeable. But then so are Perry's. Watching Live in Houston always made me wonder how anyone thought this guy was godly, but as it was explained to me, actually being there live is something completely different than watching a video.

[knox]

Put yourself on Youtube and let Neal be the judge of that. You may get a hell of a job offer. :lol

Oh, goodness gracious no. The world doesn't deserve that kind of torture.

But I do have a pretty good ear for it. I always WISHED I had a sweet voice. Those that were born to sing impress the heck out of me. I don't care WHAT genre they are in. I might not like the SOUND of Willie Nelson's voice that much, but the man is pitch perfect. Kelly Clarkson, too - though I do like her voice a lot.

Anyone can learn to play an instrument. Being a vocalist is a God-given gift.


...unfortunately for me.

[The Sushi Hunter]

I think Arnel fits the bill good in the aspects of vocals and stage performance and presents. However, I am looking forward to seeing if the band will let go of the classics and perhaps start focusing more on "new". I bought the Revelation album back when it was the hottest thing out of Wal-Mart and during my trips to Japan I picked up a few of the Japan releases as well for the bonus track. But seriously, I never even listened to the cd of the remakes because I know how those go according to Steve Perry vocals. I am interested in what the band (with Arnel) can produce new. I wish more new originals would be released by the band.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Anyone can learn to play an instrument.

Oh yeah? Then why the hell couldn't I play as good as Eddie Van Halen did in the late 70's early 80's?

[Gideon]

That's why I liked Eclipse as much as I did. It was arguably the most diverse and eclectic album they've released with a lead singer.

[The Sushi Hunter]

That's why I liked Eclipse as much as I did. It was arguably the most diverse and eclectic album they've released with a lead singer.

Escape is still my all time favorite from the band, though there are a few tunes here and there from other albums that were outstanding as well. But as an album as a whole, Escape is still the number one.

[tater1977]

THIS IS WHAT JOURNEY SHOULD BE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOJ3KnL_eBQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z22WFzYX ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meHJCUSj ... re=related


NO ONE can tell me that Arnel is anywhere close to this guy.

http://youtu.be/MdRIizODg_w

[Gideon]

That's why I liked Eclipse as much as I did. It was arguably the most diverse and eclectic album they've released with a lead singer.

Escape is still my all time favorite from the band, though there are a few tunes here and there from other albums that were outstanding as well.

I prefer Frontiers to Escape, actually.

[knox]

Anyone can learn to play an instrument.

Oh yeah? Then why the hell couldn't I play as good as Eddie Van Halen did in the late 70's early 80's?

The old "How do I get to Carnegie Hall? - Practice, my boy, practice".

[The Sushi Hunter]

That's why I liked Eclipse as much as I did. It was arguably the most diverse and eclectic album they've released with a lead singer.

Escape is still my all time favorite from the band, though there are a few tunes here and there from other albums that were outstanding as well.

I prefer Frontiers to Escape, actually.

Oh yeah, Frontiers and Escape are to Journey as Music For The Masses and Violator was to Depeche Mode. They seemed to be a continuation album right after the other which matched in quality and characteristic.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Anyone can learn to play an instrument.

Oh yeah? Then why the hell couldn't I play as good as Eddie Van Halen did in the late 70's early 80's?

The old "How do I get to Carnegie Hall? - Practice, my boy, practice".

Well I could sit down to a piano and play the hell out of it (classical and pop) with hardly no practice at all.

[knox]

Anyone can learn to play an instrument.

Oh yeah? Then why the hell couldn't I play as good as Eddie Van Halen did in the late 70's early 80's?

The old "How do I get to Carnegie Hall? - Practice, my boy, practice".

Well I could sit down to a piano and play the hell out of it (classical and pop) with hardly no practice at all.

Nice ! That is so cool.