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AR wrote:Kidding aside about Europe, and to get off guns for a moment.
I know this is going to happen, but I really wish the press wouldn't publish the pictures of the victims. It's going to be heart wrenching. I'd wish the families privacy and peace while they attempt to deal with this incomprehensible tragedy.
artist4perry wrote:parfait wrote:artist4perry wrote:parfait wrote:RocknRoll wrote:Fact Finder wrote:List of rampage killers: Europe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ra ... rs:_Europe
List of rampage killers: Asia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ra ... lers:_Asia
List of rampage killers: Oceania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ra ... s:_Oceania
List of rampage killers: Africa and the Middle East
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ra ... iddle_East
List of rampage killers: Americas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ra ... :_Americas
I'm sick and tired of America taking a beating internationally over our gun laws. You fucktards need to take out your own trash and we'll take out ours.
Now, between Federal and State, America has hundreds of gun laws. Most have been on the books for decades. Anyone calling for MORE gun laws fits Einsteins definition of insanity. When you do the same thing over and over expecting different results you are insane.
What about peaceful Norway? They have gun laws yet this whack job killed 69 adults and children. I don't condone any violence and don't own nor will I own a gun, but if there's a whacko out there they will find a way. It's time to treat the causes!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks
Police doesn't even carry guns in Norway. Sure, if one's determined to kill as many people as possible, then he or she will find a way. But since the access to firearms are so great in the states, then it makes it that much fucking easier for the whackos to do harm. There's a proven correlation between civilian gun ownership and death by firearms; that's undeniable.
Gun deaths per 100 000 citizen in Norway: 1.78. France: 3.00 ( 31.2 % owns a gun). Germany: 1.10. Singapore: 0.24 (0.5 % owns a gun. Strictest gun laws in the world). USA: 9.00. 88.8 % owns a gun
Would gun solve the US' crime problems? No, but it would certainly cause less people to die needlessly. The guy behind the massacre in Norway was found sane by the court. It goes to show that it's too easy to blame horrible actions on insanity. Poverty and lack of proper education are just some risk factors.
One factor you might think about Parfait is even if we banned all guns we have a problem with smuggling through our borders. I can readily see that if guns are banned legally that the black market trade will be into a new market. We have done such a great job keeping the drugs from coming over...![]()
The drug cartels might just take up a new business. If there is a will there is a way. I am afraid though it sounds good and it might work elsewhere, America is not Europe, and it has a whole different crop of factors that can make what is simple to fix in a small country a boomerang disaster here. Gang members have been able to get their hands on guns for quite some time, not on the legal end of things either. With the right drive and money anyone can get what they need to do anything. It might be more of a difficult thing to do, but then it is just a ticking time bomb before it goes off.
I think you got this mixed up. Guns are in fact smuggled into Mexico from the US, not the other way around. Around 70 percent of guns in Mexico come from the United States - http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5guv1zxttoSAF-NOJzZkAJV2R93mg An excerpt from a study done by The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime in 2010 says:Most of the firearms trafficked from the United States to Mexico appear to be acquired from licensed dealers by straw purchasers and then trafficked across the border in very small batches by a large number of couriers taking advantage of the high levels of cross-border traffic. This long-standing flow appears to be stable.
Regardless if they want them they will get them. Seriously the only people being withheld from buying guns are the ones who might never commit a crime in their lives. It is easy to say just get rid of guns and all the killing will stop. It won't, they just will find another avenue to kill. Next time maybe a bomb. The will to kill is the issue. Why we have so many going that route is what is needed to be known. We are breeding more and more nut jobs every day. Now as for me I never have owned a gun and I never will. It is not for my own rights that I say this is not going to work. I do support the rights of hunters to hunt and home owners to protect themselves. I am a teacher and I am going to work on Monday and not live my life in mortal terror. If I have to lay down my life for my students I would do so gladly. I am not going to run around like chicken little and scream "BAN THE GUNS!" "BAN THE GUNS!" Usually that is the emotional fix all to the problem for most folks...pardon me if I don't let my guard down because guns are gone from legal obtainment. Their will still be crazies that find crafty ways to do their ugly deeds. I will always have to keep vigilant. Sad, but true.
Fact Finder wrote:parfait wrote:artist4perry wrote:parfait wrote:artist4perry wrote:parfait wrote:RocknRoll wrote:Fact Finder wrote:List of rampage killers: Europe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ra ... rs:_Europe
List of rampage killers: Asia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ra ... lers:_Asia
List of rampage killers: Oceania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ra ... s:_Oceania
List of rampage killers: Africa and the Middle East
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ra ... iddle_East
List of rampage killers: Americas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ra ... :_Americas
I'm sick and tired of America taking a beating internationally over our gun laws. You fucktards need to take out your own trash and we'll take out ours.
Now, between Federal and State, America has hundreds of gun laws. Most have been on the books for decades. Anyone calling for MORE gun laws fits Einsteins definition of insanity. When you do the same thing over and over expecting different results you are insane.
What about peaceful Norway? They have gun laws yet this whack job killed 69 adults and children. I don't condone any violence and don't own nor will I own a gun, but if there's a whacko out there they will find a way. It's time to treat the causes!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks
Police doesn't even carry guns in Norway. Sure, if one's determined to kill as many people as possible, then he or she will find a way. But since the access to firearms are so great in the states, then it makes it that much fucking easier for the whackos to do harm. There's a proven correlation between civilian gun ownership and death by firearms; that's undeniable.
Gun deaths per 100 000 citizen in Norway: 1.78. France: 3.00 ( 31.2 % owns a gun). Germany: 1.10. Singapore: 0.24 (0.5 % owns a gun. Strictest gun laws in the world). USA: 9.00. 88.8 % owns a gun
Would gun solve the US' crime problems? No, but it would certainly cause less people to die needlessly. The guy behind the massacre in Norway was found sane by the court. It goes to show that it's too easy to blame horrible actions on insanity. Poverty and lack of proper education are just some risk factors.
One factor you might think about Parfait is even if we banned all guns we have a problem with smuggling through our borders. I can readily see that if guns are banned legally that the black market trade will be into a new market. We have done such a great job keeping the drugs from coming over...![]()
The drug cartels might just take up a new business. If there is a will there is a way. I am afraid though it sounds good and it might work elsewhere, America is not Europe, and it has a whole different crop of factors that can make what is simple to fix in a small country a boomerang disaster here. Gang members have been able to get their hands on guns for quite some time, not on the legal end of things either. With the right drive and money anyone can get what they need to do anything. It might be more of a difficult thing to do, but then it is just a ticking time bomb before it goes off.
I think you got this mixed up. Guns are in fact smuggled into Mexico from the US, not the other way around. Around 70 percent of guns in Mexico come from the United States - http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5guv1zxttoSAF-NOJzZkAJV2R93mg An excerpt from a study done by The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime in 2010 says:Most of the firearms trafficked from the United States to Mexico appear to be acquired from licensed dealers by straw purchasers and then trafficked across the border in very small batches by a large number of couriers taking advantage of the high levels of cross-border traffic. This long-standing flow appears to be stable.
Regardless if they want them they will get them. Seriously the only people being withheld from buying guns are the ones who might never commit a crime in their lives. It is easy to say just get rid of guns and all the killing will stop. It won't, they just will find another avenue to kill. Next time maybe a bomb. The will to kill is the issue. Why we have so many going that route is what is needed to be known. We are breeding more and more nut jobs every day. Now as for me I never have owned a gun and I never will. It is not for my own rights that I say this is not going to work. I do support the rights of hunters to hunt and home owners to protect themselves. I am a teacher and I am going to work on Monday and not live my life in mortal terror. If I have to lay down my life for my students I would do so gladly. I am not going to run around like chicken little and scream "BAN THE GUNS!" "BAN THE GUNS!" Usually that is the emotional fix all to the problem for most folks...pardon me if I don't let my guard down because guns are gone from legal obtainment. Their will still be crazies that find crafty ways to do their ugly deeds. I will always have to keep vigilant. Sad, but true.
Bullshit. I just disproved your silly notion regarding gun trafficking and Mexico. The statistics and fact doesn't lie. It has nothing to do with an "emotional fix" - stricter gun laws are the rational, most logical thing to support. I never once wrote that removing all the guns, would stop all the killing.
It's time the US starts seeing the forest for the trees and face facts: current American gun laws are contributing to thousands of deaths both in the states and around the world. Fuck the second amendment and NRA - Adam Lanza wouldn't have been able to kill as many kids if he couldn't get his hands on a god damn semi automatic rifle. The lives of children are much more important than the right for some redneck that needs a revolver and a automatic rifle to feel like more of a man.
But I'll bet you'll support abortion which kills 1.2 Million Kids a year, 23,000 per week or 3,200 per day? BTW Parfait, do you support President Obama and Attorney General Holder when they run thousands of guns into Mexico as an official Govt. Policy?
parfait wrote:
Bullshit. I just disproved your silly notion regarding gun trafficking and Mexico. The statistics and fact doesn't lie. It has nothing to do with an "emotional fix" - stricter gun laws are the rational, most logical thing to support. I never once wrote that removing all the guns, would stop all the killing.
It's time the US starts seeing the forest for the trees and face facts: current American gun laws are contributing to thousands of deaths both in the states and around the world. Fuck the second amendment and NRA - Adam Lanza wouldn't have been able to kill if his mother had simply locked her guns in a safe. The lives of children are much more important than the right for some redneck that needs a revolver and a automatic rifle to feel like more of a man.
parfait wrote:Adam Lanza wouldn't have been able to kill as many kids if he couldn't get his hands on a god damn semi automatic rifle.
Memorex wrote:parfait wrote:Adam Lanza wouldn't have been able to kill as many kids if he couldn't get his hands on a god damn semi automatic rifle.
It's my understanding that this gun was found in the trunk of his car and was not used, so that statement makes no sense. A semi-automatic rifle is no more quick than a semi-automatic pistol.
slucero wrote:Memorex wrote:parfait wrote:Adam Lanza wouldn't have been able to kill as many kids if he couldn't get his hands on a god damn semi automatic rifle.
It's my understanding that this gun was found in the trunk of his car and was not used, so that statement makes no sense. A semi-automatic rifle is no more quick than a semi-automatic pistol.
Coroner is saying that all the wounds are from a long gun.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/nyreg ... n-all.html
and parfait - a semi auto rifle is the same as a semi auto pistol... one round fired for one pull of the trigger.. at the close range this shooter was at (5 to 15ft) caliber or type of gun would have made no difference. It would have been lethal regardless.
Rick wrote:Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened yesterday :
"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.
It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.
CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.
You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."
Rick wrote:Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened yesterday :
"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.
It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.
CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.
You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."
Detectives are still trying to determine why the armed man was in the Birmingham hospital.
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. — A man opened fire early Saturday at a hospital in Alabama, wounding a police officer and two employees before being shot and killed by another officer, authorities said.
Police were sent to St. Vincent's Hospital around 4 a.m. to check on a report of an armed man inside the facility. Two officers who arrived separately converged on the suspect on the hospital's fifth floor.
"When the officer encountered the suspect, there was immediate gunfire from the suspect," Birmingham Police Sgt. Johnny Williams said. One police officer and two hospital employees who happened to be in the area were wounded.
A second officer shot back, mortally wounding the suspect.
Williams said detectives were still trying to determine Saturday why the armed man was in the hospital. Authorities did not immediately release the names of the assailant or the victims.
A handful of cardiac patients and several staff members were on the fifth floor, hospital spokeswoman Liz Moore told reporters during a news conference. She said the hospital is secure and stable, and patient care was not interrupted.
steveo777 wrote:There was another shooting at a hospital today.
http://news.msn.com/us/police-kill-gunm ... a-hospitalDetectives are still trying to determine why the armed man was in the Birmingham hospital.
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. — A man opened fire early Saturday at a hospital in Alabama, wounding a police officer and two employees before being shot and killed by another officer, authorities said.
Police were sent to St. Vincent's Hospital around 4 a.m. to check on a report of an armed man inside the facility. Two officers who arrived separately converged on the suspect on the hospital's fifth floor.
"When the officer encountered the suspect, there was immediate gunfire from the suspect," Birmingham Police Sgt. Johnny Williams said. One police officer and two hospital employees who happened to be in the area were wounded.
A second officer shot back, mortally wounding the suspect.
Williams said detectives were still trying to determine Saturday why the armed man was in the hospital. Authorities did not immediately release the names of the assailant or the victims.
A handful of cardiac patients and several staff members were on the fifth floor, hospital spokeswoman Liz Moore told reporters during a news conference. She said the hospital is secure and stable, and patient care was not interrupted.
Rick wrote:Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened yesterday :
"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.
It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.
CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.
You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."
ebake02 wrote:What these parasites are doing is appalling, but not as appalling as the media giving them free publicity. Publicity is the reason they do what they do so if the media would stop giving them a soapbox and announcing their picketing plans then maybe they'll go away.
Rick wrote:Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened yesterday :
"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.
It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.
CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.
You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."
steveo777 wrote:Morgan Freeman has come out and said he didn't write that piece.
Rick wrote:steveo777 wrote:Morgan Freeman has come out and said he didn't write that piece.
That's just weird. Why would they say he said it? Makes no sense.
slucero wrote:Watching Obama at the memorial... starting the campaign for more gun control...
what a motherfucker.
steveo777 wrote:slucero wrote:Watching Obama at the memorial... starting the campaign for more gun control...
what a motherfucker.
Amendment II. A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
What we get for people reelecting Obama. This is gonna be a big, giant, in your face, "I told you so". America fucked up this time around and we are all gonna pay for it. Take that to the bank liberals!
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