27 People Dead, Mostly Children, at Connecticut Elementary

[AR]

Kidding aside about Europe, and to get off guns for a moment.

I know this is going to happen, but I really wish the press wouldn't publish the pictures of the victims. It's going to be heart wrenching. I'd wish the families privacy and peace while they attempt to deal with this incomprehensible tragedy.

[artist4perry]

Kidding aside about Europe, and to get off guns for a moment.

I know this is going to happen, but I really wish the press wouldn't publish the pictures of the victims. It's going to be heart wrenching. I'd wish the families privacy and peace while they attempt to deal with this incomprehensible tragedy.

Sadly if they don't keep from showing that poor woman crying in fear then the victims won't be spared either.

[parfait]

List of rampage killers: Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ra ... rs:_Europe


List of rampage killers: Asia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ra ... lers:_Asia


List of rampage killers: Oceania

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ra ... s:_Oceania


List of rampage killers: Africa and the Middle East

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ra ... iddle_East


List of rampage killers: Americas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ra ... :_Americas


I'm sick and tired of America taking a beating internationally over our gun laws. You fucktards need to take out your own trash and we'll take out ours.

Now, between Federal and State, America has hundreds of gun laws. Most have been on the books for decades. Anyone calling for MORE gun laws fits Einsteins definition of insanity. When you do the same thing over and over expecting different results you are insane.

What about peaceful Norway? They have gun laws yet this whack job killed 69 adults and children. I don't condone any violence and don't own nor will I own a gun, but if there's a whacko out there they will find a way. It's time to treat the causes!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks

Police doesn't even carry guns in Norway. Sure, if one's determined to kill as many people as possible, then he or she will find a way. But since the access to firearms are so great in the states, then it makes it that much fucking easier for the whackos to do harm. There's a proven correlation between civilian gun ownership and death by firearms; that's undeniable.

Gun deaths per 100 000 citizen in Norway: 1.78. France: 3.00 ( 31.2 % owns a gun). Germany: 1.10. Singapore: 0.24 (0.5 % owns a gun. Strictest gun laws in the world). USA: 9.00. 88.8 % owns a gun

Would gun solve the US' crime problems? No, but it would certainly cause less people to die needlessly. The guy behind the massacre in Norway was found sane by the court. It goes to show that it's too easy to blame horrible actions on insanity. Poverty and lack of proper education are just some risk factors.

One factor you might think about Parfait is even if we banned all guns we have a problem with smuggling through our borders. I can readily see that if guns are banned legally that the black market trade will be into a new market. We have done such a great job keeping the drugs from coming over... The drug cartels might just take up a new business. If there is a will there is a way. I am afraid though it sounds good and it might work elsewhere, America is not Europe, and it has a whole different crop of factors that can make what is simple to fix in a small country a boomerang disaster here. Gang members have been able to get their hands on guns for quite some time, not on the legal end of things either. With the right drive and money anyone can get what they need to do anything. It might be more of a difficult thing to do, but then it is just a ticking time bomb before it goes off.

I think you got this mixed up. Guns are in fact smuggled into Mexico from the US, not the other way around. Around 70 percent of guns in Mexico come from the United States - http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5guv1zxttoSAF-NOJzZkAJV2R93mg An excerpt from a study done by The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime in 2010 says:

Most of the firearms trafficked from the United States to Mexico appear to be acquired from licensed dealers by straw purchasers and then trafficked across the border in very small batches by a large number of couriers taking advantage of the high levels of cross-border traffic. This long-standing flow appears to be stable.

Regardless if they want them they will get them. Seriously the only people being withheld from buying guns are the ones who might never commit a crime in their lives. It is easy to say just get rid of guns and all the killing will stop. It won't, they just will find another avenue to kill. Next time maybe a bomb. The will to kill is the issue. Why we have so many going that route is what is needed to be known. We are breeding more and more nut jobs every day. Now as for me I never have owned a gun and I never will. It is not for my own rights that I say this is not going to work. I do support the rights of hunters to hunt and home owners to protect themselves. I am a teacher and I am going to work on Monday and not live my life in mortal terror. If I have to lay down my life for my students I would do so gladly. I am not going to run around like chicken little and scream "BAN THE GUNS!" "BAN THE GUNS!" Usually that is the emotional fix all to the problem for most folks...pardon me if I don't let my guard down because guns are gone from legal obtainment. Their will still be crazies that find crafty ways to do their ugly deeds. I will always have to keep vigilant. Sad, but true.

Bullshit. I just disproved your silly notion regarding gun trafficking and Mexico. The statistics and fact doesn't lie. It has nothing to do with an "emotional fix" - stricter gun laws are the rational, most logical thing to support. I never once wrote that removing all the guns, would stop all the killing.

It's time the US starts seeing the forest for the trees and face facts: current American gun laws are contributing to thousands of deaths both in the states and around the world. Fuck the second amendment and NRA - Adam Lanza wouldn't have been able to kill as many kids if he couldn't get his hands on a god damn semi automatic rifle. The lives of children are much more important than the right for some redneck that needs a revolver and a automatic rifle to feel like more of a man.

[AR]

In this particular instance the control that was needed was birth control. Turns out the mother was irresponsible as a gun owner.

Gun ownership should require more than a background check. So should the right to bring a child into the world. You should have to apply for a license for that too.

[AR]

Idiots being allowed to pro-create is the real problem. Nobody wants to bring that to the discussion but I will.

[parfait]

List of rampage killers: Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ra ... rs:_Europe


List of rampage killers: Asia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ra ... lers:_Asia


List of rampage killers: Oceania

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ra ... s:_Oceania


List of rampage killers: Africa and the Middle East

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ra ... iddle_East


List of rampage killers: Americas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ra ... :_Americas


I'm sick and tired of America taking a beating internationally over our gun laws. You fucktards need to take out your own trash and we'll take out ours.

Now, between Federal and State, America has hundreds of gun laws. Most have been on the books for decades. Anyone calling for MORE gun laws fits Einsteins definition of insanity. When you do the same thing over and over expecting different results you are insane.

What about peaceful Norway? They have gun laws yet this whack job killed 69 adults and children. I don't condone any violence and don't own nor will I own a gun, but if there's a whacko out there they will find a way. It's time to treat the causes!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks

Police doesn't even carry guns in Norway. Sure, if one's determined to kill as many people as possible, then he or she will find a way. But since the access to firearms are so great in the states, then it makes it that much fucking easier for the whackos to do harm. There's a proven correlation between civilian gun ownership and death by firearms; that's undeniable.

Gun deaths per 100 000 citizen in Norway: 1.78. France: 3.00 ( 31.2 % owns a gun). Germany: 1.10. Singapore: 0.24 (0.5 % owns a gun. Strictest gun laws in the world). USA: 9.00. 88.8 % owns a gun

Would gun solve the US' crime problems? No, but it would certainly cause less people to die needlessly. The guy behind the massacre in Norway was found sane by the court. It goes to show that it's too easy to blame horrible actions on insanity. Poverty and lack of proper education are just some risk factors.

One factor you might think about Parfait is even if we banned all guns we have a problem with smuggling through our borders. I can readily see that if guns are banned legally that the black market trade will be into a new market. We have done such a great job keeping the drugs from coming over... The drug cartels might just take up a new business. If there is a will there is a way. I am afraid though it sounds good and it might work elsewhere, America is not Europe, and it has a whole different crop of factors that can make what is simple to fix in a small country a boomerang disaster here. Gang members have been able to get their hands on guns for quite some time, not on the legal end of things either. With the right drive and money anyone can get what they need to do anything. It might be more of a difficult thing to do, but then it is just a ticking time bomb before it goes off.

I think you got this mixed up. Guns are in fact smuggled into Mexico from the US, not the other way around. Around 70 percent of guns in Mexico come from the United States - http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5guv1zxttoSAF-NOJzZkAJV2R93mg An excerpt from a study done by The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime in 2010 says:

Most of the firearms trafficked from the United States to Mexico appear to be acquired from licensed dealers by straw purchasers and then trafficked across the border in very small batches by a large number of couriers taking advantage of the high levels of cross-border traffic. This long-standing flow appears to be stable.

Regardless if they want them they will get them. Seriously the only people being withheld from buying guns are the ones who might never commit a crime in their lives. It is easy to say just get rid of guns and all the killing will stop. It won't, they just will find another avenue to kill. Next time maybe a bomb. The will to kill is the issue. Why we have so many going that route is what is needed to be known. We are breeding more and more nut jobs every day. Now as for me I never have owned a gun and I never will. It is not for my own rights that I say this is not going to work. I do support the rights of hunters to hunt and home owners to protect themselves. I am a teacher and I am going to work on Monday and not live my life in mortal terror. If I have to lay down my life for my students I would do so gladly. I am not going to run around like chicken little and scream "BAN THE GUNS!" "BAN THE GUNS!" Usually that is the emotional fix all to the problem for most folks...pardon me if I don't let my guard down because guns are gone from legal obtainment. Their will still be crazies that find crafty ways to do their ugly deeds. I will always have to keep vigilant. Sad, but true.

Bullshit. I just disproved your silly notion regarding gun trafficking and Mexico. The statistics and fact doesn't lie. It has nothing to do with an "emotional fix" - stricter gun laws are the rational, most logical thing to support. I never once wrote that removing all the guns, would stop all the killing.

It's time the US starts seeing the forest for the trees and face facts: current American gun laws are contributing to thousands of deaths both in the states and around the world. Fuck the second amendment and NRA - Adam Lanza wouldn't have been able to kill as many kids if he couldn't get his hands on a god damn semi automatic rifle. The lives of children are much more important than the right for some redneck that needs a revolver and a automatic rifle to feel like more of a man.

But I'll bet you'll support abortion which kills 1.2 Million Kids a year, 23,000 per week or 3,200 per day? BTW Parfait, do you support President Obama and Attorney General Holder when they run thousands of guns into Mexico as an official Govt. Policy?

I'm not a fan of Obama at all. I prefer Gary Johnson.

I support stem cell research and abortion in the case of rape and pathology on the fetus. Got not problem with the day after pill, as you're not killing a kid, like you're putting it, but an oocyte. The sperm resides in the vagina for a few days before actually fertilizing the egg in the uterine tubes.

[slucero]

Bullshit. I just disproved your silly notion regarding gun trafficking and Mexico. The statistics and fact doesn't lie. It has nothing to do with an "emotional fix" - stricter gun laws are the rational, most logical thing to support. I never once wrote that removing all the guns, would stop all the killing.

It's time the US starts seeing the forest for the trees and face facts: current American gun laws are contributing to thousands of deaths both in the states and around the world. Fuck the second amendment and NRA - Adam Lanza wouldn't have been able to kill if his mother had simply locked her guns in a safe. The lives of children are much more important than the right for some redneck that needs a revolver and a automatic rifle to feel like more of a man.

Fixed it for ya.


btw.. "redneck" is a term used to describe americans who live south of the Mason-Dixon line.. Connecticut is well north of that.


I too support Gary Johnson., who stands firmly behind the 2nd Amendment.

[AR]

Not having children is like going "green" - it's environmentally friendly. Less people means using less natural resources.

There needs to be an IQ test and credit check before being allowed to have a child.

Then we can talk about guns.

[Memorex]

Adam Lanza wouldn't have been able to kill as many kids if he couldn't get his hands on a god damn semi automatic rifle.

It's my understanding that this gun was found in the trunk of his car and was not used, so that statement makes no sense. A semi-automatic rifle is no more quick than a semi-automatic pistol.

[slucero]

Adam Lanza wouldn't have been able to kill as many kids if he couldn't get his hands on a god damn semi automatic rifle.

It's my understanding that this gun was found in the trunk of his car and was not used, so that statement makes no sense. A semi-automatic rifle is no more quick than a semi-automatic pistol.

Coroner is saying that all the wounds are from a long gun.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/nyreg ... n-all.html


and parfait - a semi auto rifle is the same as a semi auto pistol... one round fired for one pull of the trigger.. at the close range this shooter was at (5 to 15ft) caliber or type of gun would have made no difference. It would have been lethal regardless.

[parfait]

Adam Lanza wouldn't have been able to kill as many kids if he couldn't get his hands on a god damn semi automatic rifle.

It's my understanding that this gun was found in the trunk of his car and was not used, so that statement makes no sense. A semi-automatic rifle is no more quick than a semi-automatic pistol.

Coroner is saying that all the wounds are from a long gun.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/nyreg ... n-all.html


and parfait - a semi auto rifle is the same as a semi auto pistol... one round fired for one pull of the trigger.. at the close range this shooter was at (5 to 15ft) caliber or type of gun would have made no difference. It would have been lethal regardless.

Alright. Didn't know that. Thanks

[tater1977]

Listen to a New Version of Alabama’s ‘Angels Among Us,’ Remixed in Light of the Connecticut School Shooting

By Michael Scott


As we all try to make sense out of the Connecticut school shooting tragedy – not that I think any of us ever will be able to – we all look for things to help us cope. I put together this quick mix of ‘Angels Among Us’ by Alabama for you, in hopes it can help you deal with this traumatic event.

‘Angels Among Us’ was first released by Alabama in 1993 as a Christmas single, off their album ‘Cheap Seats.’ The song itself is about how we can all help each other get through tragedies such as this.

Sample lyric:

I believe there are angels among us
Sent down to us from somewhere up above
They come to you and me in our darkest hours
To show us how to live
To teach us how to give
To guide us with a light of love

Using news audio, we’ve highlighted the song’s relevance to the horrific shootings in Newtown, Conn. Our thoughts and prayers go out to the children and families affected by this awful tragedy.

Use the player below to listen:

http://mycountry955.com/alabamas-angels ... mix-audio/

[Rick]

Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened yesterday :

"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.

It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."

[slucero]

Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened yesterday :

"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.

It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."

bingo.

[Memorex]

Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened yesterday :

"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.

It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."

Have to agree with him 100% here. I've read a few things, but have largely kept the news off. The news really tripped over themselves on this one.

[steveo777]

There was another shooting at a hospital today.

http://news.msn.com/us/police-kill-gunm ... a-hospital

Detectives are still trying to determine why the armed man was in the Birmingham hospital.

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. — A man opened fire early Saturday at a hospital in Alabama, wounding a police officer and two employees before being shot and killed by another officer, authorities said.

Police were sent to St. Vincent's Hospital around 4 a.m. to check on a report of an armed man inside the facility. Two officers who arrived separately converged on the suspect on the hospital's fifth floor.

"When the officer encountered the suspect, there was immediate gunfire from the suspect," Birmingham Police Sgt. Johnny Williams said. One police officer and two hospital employees who happened to be in the area were wounded.

A second officer shot back, mortally wounding the suspect.

Williams said detectives were still trying to determine Saturday why the armed man was in the hospital. Authorities did not immediately release the names of the assailant or the victims.

A handful of cardiac patients and several staff members were on the fifth floor, hospital spokeswoman Liz Moore told reporters during a news conference. She said the hospital is secure and stable, and patient care was not interrupted.

[Rick]

There was another shooting at a hospital today.

http://news.msn.com/us/police-kill-gunm ... a-hospital

Detectives are still trying to determine why the armed man was in the Birmingham hospital.

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. — A man opened fire early Saturday at a hospital in Alabama, wounding a police officer and two employees before being shot and killed by another officer, authorities said.

Police were sent to St. Vincent's Hospital around 4 a.m. to check on a report of an armed man inside the facility. Two officers who arrived separately converged on the suspect on the hospital's fifth floor.

"When the officer encountered the suspect, there was immediate gunfire from the suspect," Birmingham Police Sgt. Johnny Williams said. One police officer and two hospital employees who happened to be in the area were wounded.

A second officer shot back, mortally wounding the suspect.

Williams said detectives were still trying to determine Saturday why the armed man was in the hospital. Authorities did not immediately release the names of the assailant or the victims.

A handful of cardiac patients and several staff members were on the fifth floor, hospital spokeswoman Liz Moore told reporters during a news conference. She said the hospital is secure and stable, and patient care was not interrupted.

I'm sure they know he was there looking for drugs. Sane people don't do that kind of shit.

[Journey/Survivor]

One of the songs on Jimi Jamison's "Crossroads Moment" CD a few years back, is partly about school shootings, it's called "Can't Look Away."

It was written by Jim Peterik, as were all of the songs on the album.

Jamison's comment about the song on the liner notes says "One evening Jim and I were having a drink at a local pub and on the TV was a news flash of the latest high school massacre and suicide. we wanted to ignore it and continue to celebrate a good day's session. But we couldn't ignore it. We couldn't look away. The next day we tracked the song Jim had stayed up all night writing."

These are the lyrics...

See the child-dressed in rags in the street
cold and homeless
too weak to ask for just one scrap of food to survive
war-torn lives - shed their innocent blood
on the pavement
as we all shake our heads from our ivory towers
making righteous remarks as we're wasting the hours

Chorus
I hate what I see but I can't look away
from the train wreck we watch
from our armchairs each day
are we powerless pawns in the games people play
I try and blind myself to the pain
but I can't - no I can't look away

kids in school - learning lessons in life
love and laughter
such precious jewels - with a future so bright
dreams so tall
an aimless soul - opens fire - robs the world
makes his exit
as we wonder what force could have made him so wild
he was quiet - he was shy
he was somebody's child

Chorus
I hate what I see but I can't look away
from the train wreck we watch
from our armchairs each day
are we powerless pawns in the games people play
I try and blind myself to the pain
disconnect my heart from my brain
but I can't - no I can't look away

Bridge
we can't stand idly by
no we can't look away
and let one more child die - no!

as we all shake our heads from our ivory towers
making righteous remarks as we're wasting the hours

Chorus
I hate what I see but I can't look away
from the train wreck we watch
from our armchairs each day
are we powerless pawns in the games people play
I try and blind myself to the pain
disconnect my heart from my brain
if we're gonna change a world gone insane
we just can't - no we can't - no I can't look away - no!
can't look away
no matter what you say - you just can't look away
can't look away - no- no- no- no
can't look away
we just can't look away

[Clasicrockldy]

I wish these motherfuckers were gone...

http://www.examiner.com/article/connecticut-school-shooting-westboro-baptist-church-planning-to-picket

Connecticut school shooting: Westboro Baptist Church planning to picket.

Less than 48 hours after the Connecticut school shooting at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, CT, which took place on Dec. 14, the Westboro Baptist Church is already making plans to picket. The Westboro Baptist Church is known for picketing and protesting at funerals across the country.

“Westboro will picket Sandy Hook Elementary School to sing praise to God for the glory of his work in executing his judgment,” Shirley Phelps-Roper tweeted on Dec. 15.

“They need to come back to Oklahoma,” Bryan Weathers, from Moore, said. “We know how to take care of them here.”

“Westboro 'God hates Fags' Baptist Church is planning to pciket at Sandy Hook, to praise 'God's judgment,'” Margie Phelps tweeted as well on Dec. 15.

Westoboro Baptist Church is known for carrying signs that read “Thank God for dead babies” and the like. It is unknown what kind of signs will be seen, if the Westboro Baptist Church actually pickets in Newtown, CT.

The Supreme Court ruled that it is legal for the Westboro Baptist Church to picket funerals. Despite that ruling, many cities and towns have passed laws that force the Westboro Baptist Church to stay a specific distance away from funerals.


And here is another article blaming singer Carrie Underwood for the shooting spree.

Connecticut school shooting: Westboro Baptist Church blames Carrie Underwood

http://www.examiner.com/article/connecticut-school-shooting-westboro-baptist-church-blames-carrie-underwood

With all the the theories as to why the Connecticut school shooting happened on Dec. 14 and the motives of shooter, Adam Lanzo, the Westboro Baptist Church offers a reason for the slaughter. Margie Phelps, spokesperson for the Westboro Baptist Church, blames Oklahoma's own Carrie Underwood.

“She pimped fag marriage,” Margie Phelps tweeted to Carrie Underwood on Dec. 14. “Blood of dead school kids on her hands!”

The Wesboro Baptist Church opposes gay marriage, abortion, the media and all sorts of other things. Many believe they oppose everything other than their own church, which is made up of mostly Phelps family members.

At the time of publication, it is unknown why the Westboro Baptist Church is blaming Carrie Underwood. For a while, the Westboro Baptist Church appeared to be targeting Oklahoma and it's residents. Oklahoma did not tolerate their behavior and fought back. Despite threats to picket, the Westboro Baptist Church appears to now be avoiding Oklahoma.

“How on earth could Carrie Underwood be responsible?” Mandy Robinson, from Enid, asked. “She's an amazing singer, gorgeous and a very devout Christian. Those people are crazy!”

They picket and protest funerals for military members, celebrities and those killed in tragedies. The Supreme Court has ruled that their protests are legal. Despite that ruling, many laws have been passed around the country that forces the Westboro Baptist Church to maintain a specific distance between their picketing and the funerals.

The Westboro Baptist Church announced plans to picket at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, CT. If they carry out their plan, the residents can expect to see the Westboro Baptist Church at the funerals of the six adults and 20 children murdered by Adam Lanzo.



These people are the lowest forms of life, and they call themselves Christians? We all know that they read the bible, then interpret and bend it to fit their sick needs. Like that one host of a newsprogram said: "If you don't like it here, LEAVE!" And I wish they would leave. Sick bastards.

[ebake02]

What these parasites are doing is appalling, but not as appalling as the media giving them free publicity. Publicity is the reason they do what they do so if the media would stop giving them a soapbox and announcing their picketing plans then maybe they'll go away.

[artist4perry]

Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened yesterday :

"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.

It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."

I have shut off the news. I also hate how they keep showing the crying parents, frightened children like their poster children for the massacre.
Parfait, correcting me would have been simple enough. I was not trying to be rude to you, I was just responding to what you said. I am sorry if I seemed to direct the part about the killers being able to kill otherwise, it wasn't directed at you per say, it was to go against the arguments some people have that removing all guns would remove the problem.

And if the red neck thing was directed at me because I live in Arkansas, remember I was born in LA California. I am not referring to red necks anyway. Not everyone who hunts is a red neck. My family members who hunt are not red necks and their hunting provides food for the table. Deer would overpopulate if not for hunting so it keeps them from dying of starvation and disease. It serves a purpose other than just Elmer Fudd wanting to get a Wascally Wabbit.

P.S. guys not everyone living below the Mason Dixon line is a red neck. There are some but not as much as one would think. I really hate how TV only shows Baby Boo Brain and her family and every show about southerners only focus on the weirdest and oddest ones here. I really think TV executives would show all southerners to still be barefoot and livin in them thar hills.

[artist4perry]

What these parasites are doing is appalling, but not as appalling as the media giving them free publicity. Publicity is the reason they do what they do so if the media would stop giving them a soapbox and announcing their picketing plans then maybe they'll go away.

Westborough Baptist.............The Devils Church as I call it........they promote more ugliness and anti-Christian attitude than Linda Blair as the Possessed child in the Exorcist...without the pea soup. I think their true god prepares a hot time for them in the afterlife. Hope they bring their sunscreen.

[slucero]

The laws in place actually did prevent the shooter from buying a gun, and I think when all the facts are known, it will be obvious that more gun control would not have prevented this.

What will be realized as the likely cause will a parent who:

• Knew her child had a mental disorder that made him able to not "feel physical or emotional pain in the same way as classmates", as said by his high school adviser. Read more here: [url]http://www.adn.com/2012/12/15/2725115/teacher-says-gunman-was-loner.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy[/url]
  
• Did not secure her guns from her mentally deficient child (or anyone else)

A gun owners responsibility for the security of their weapons does not end when they aren't using them, and if anyone had easy access to the weapons, then IMHO the bulk of the blame lies with her.

IMHO the real issue here is personal responsibility, which the mother ignored.

[wednesday's child]

Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened yesterday :

"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.

It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."

Bullseye.
Whoever this "Morgan Freeman" is,* he gets it, and gets it big time.
"It", of course, being a NEW problem created by news media, which CAN encourage more nutjobs to seek
infamy. Of course, mass killers predate mass media, so there's a lot more to this than just 'facilitation 'or
'reinforcement' by CNN, etc.

Doubt the news media will acknowledge it, much less change their ways.






*The "Morgan Freeman" commentary was apparently first distributed by some guy named "Mark" in Vancouver...
who mostly copied SOMEBODY ELSE'S posted comments on the Theatre shooting, to better-fit this tragedy.

[steveo777]

Morgan Freeman has come out and said he didn't write that piece.

[slucero]

Watching Obama at the memorial... starting the campaign for more gun control...

what a motherfucker.

[Rick]

Morgan Freeman has come out and said he didn't write that piece.

That's just weird. Why would they say he said it? Makes no sense.

[steveo777]

Morgan Freeman has come out and said he didn't write that piece.

That's just weird. Why would they say he said it? Makes no sense.

I dunno. Read this and take it for what it's worth.....

http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=780515

Watching Obama at the memorial... starting the campaign for more gun control...

what a motherfucker.

Amendment II. A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

What we get for people reelecting Obama. This is gonna be a big, giant, in your face, "I told you so". America fucked up this time around and we are all gonna pay for it. Take that to the bank liberals!

[FinnFreak]

Watching Obama at the memorial... starting the campaign for more gun control...

what a motherfucker.

Amendment II. A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

What we get for people reelecting Obama. This is gonna be a big, giant, in your face, "I told you so". America fucked up this time around and we are all gonna pay for it. Take that to the bank liberals!

In Finland there are 32 privately owned firearms per 100 civilians according to the Finnish Ministry of the Interior.

My father-in-law has 5 hunting rifles & shotguns stored in a locked room. A thick locked steel wire goes through the trigger guards. Ammunition is kept in a separate locked steel container bolted to a concrete wall. All three needed keys are kept in different places.

Two police officers came over to inspect how the rifles were stored a few years ago & OK'ed it.


The firearms certificate may be cancelled if a person has committed any crimes (in addition to violent crimes, simple theft and traffic offences are also considered) or has broken certificate rules. Physical and mental problems or reckless behavior are solid grounds for cancelling the certificate.


More: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/wor ... 3446_x.htm


Incredibly sad event in Newtown, CT... the victims certainly deserve some kind of action to be taken...

Safe storage was neglected - maybe that could be a starting point..?


John -

[ebake02]

My first gut reaction was to scream for tighter gun control but I can't help but wonder how this tragedy would have played out if someone on that school staff was packing heat. I realize now that our current laws did their job and ultimately blame must fall on this kid's mother. She knew he was mentally unstable yet she still kept her guns within easy reach of this kid and didn't get him the help he needed. I found this article and it highlights what seems to be a lack of conversation of how to deal with those who are mentally unstable and protect them and others from violent outbursts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/1 ... 11009.html

That being said, I support the second amendment 100% and the only gun control I would support is the reinstatement of the federal assault weapons ban. I would like to trust parents to keep weapons locked away from their mentally unstable child but if they can't then I would support the authorities going in and taking those weapons out of the house.