Grand jury indicts Journey drummer Deen Castronovo on rape c

[tater1977]

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[The_Noble_Cause]

Such a shame. Deen became such a crucial part of their live show. So energetic, such awesome backing vocals and even better lead vocals. It's gonna be a long time before this gets sorted out.

Very true.

[Memorex]

I hope that behind the scenes, whether there is resentment or not, Journey and everyone else in Deen's life shows the support he needs. It's hard to continually lend a hand or even words to people that keep making the wrong choices, but only the people in Deen's life, and Deen himself, can find whatever thing is going to move him past his illness.

Violence, no matter the circumstance, cannot go unpunished. It would have the wrong affect. But I hope that whatever Deen goes through, it is merciful and helpful and the right path for him. Yes, I think under any circumstance at this point of guilt or innocence, Journey must move on as a band without him. First and foremost because he's got more important things to deal with over the coming months/years, and secondly because it would be the right business decision. That doesn't mean I think Deen is guilty of all things or that the members of the band should desert him personally. But clearly he has an issue that is interfering in all facets of his life, and therefore affecting many others around him, including those that rely on him. He needs to not have that responsibility for a long while. At least until it's clear he can fully handle that responsibility.

I wish him well. I hope this was the point where he says "never again". It's no way to live.

That said, let's also keep in mind the millions of people addicted to drugs and homeless, and without the resources that Deen has. We can all show support to one guy because we've seen him be decent and we like the way he plays and sings, but there is a whole lot of people a lot worse off that can also use our support. Most people haven't been given years and years of chances to play drums with a world class band and become a millionaire. Deen will be just fine if he gets the help he needs and makes some good decisions. Most folks with similar problems don't stand a tenth of that chance.

[Archetype]

That said, let's also keep in mind the millions of people addicted to drugs and homeless, and without the resources that Deen has. We can all show support to one guy because we've seen him be decent and we like the way he plays and sings, but there is a whole lot of people a lot worse off that can also use our support. Most people haven't been given years and years of chances to play drums with a world class band and become a millionaire. Deen will be just fine if he gets the help he needs and makes some good decisions. Most folks with similar problems don't stand a tenth of that chance.

This is the bottom line. I feel really bad about what has transpired recently with Deen, but in the end, his access to medical care, personal support and legal assistance is most likely unrivaled by any standard in the world. If he doesn't get his act together, he has no one but himself to blame. Neal even alluded to that in his facebook posting (helping in every way possible for many years). He's a world class drummer and vocalist. He was finally branching out a bit too with Revolution Saints, a guest appearance on the new Fear Factory album, and opening up a lot of great musical outlets. It would be such a pity to see all that be ruined for good on top of the potential demise of his stellar career with Journey.

[Aaron]

Your post is spot on. I love Deen's vocals and drumming with Journey. The bottom line is he has to fix his issues. I hope he does. I understand Neil's post and have experienced it before. People in the shite have to want to help themselves. If they don't, I say f**k them. They can't play victim forever.

Deen, get your shite together and come back sir.

That said, let's also keep in mind the millions of people addicted to drugs and homeless, and without the resources that Deen has. We can all show support to one guy because we've seen him be decent and we like the way he plays and sings, but there is a whole lot of people a lot worse off that can also use our support. Most people haven't been given years and years of chances to play drums with a world class band and become a millionaire. Deen will be just fine if he gets the help he needs and makes some good decisions. Most folks with similar problems don't stand a tenth of that chance.

This is the bottom line. I feel really bad about what has transpired recently with Deen, but in the end, his access to medical care, personal support and legal assistance is most likely unrivaled by any standard in the world. If he doesn't get his act together, he has no one but himself to blame. Neal even alluded to that in his facebook posting (helping in every way possible for many years). He's a world class drummer and vocalist. He was finally branching out a bit too with Revolution Saints, a guest appearance on the new Fear Factory album, and opening up a lot of great musical outlets. It would be such a pity to see all that be ruined for good on top of the potential demise of his stellar career with Journey.

[slucero]

at the end of all of this.... I would trade Deen retiring completely if it means he gets well, stays clean and has a good "rest of his life"...

... there are more important things than Journey...

[Sundet]

Well, if what is alleged in the court records is true, and I have little reason to doubt it is, then Deen's cries of having had his life ruined may well suggest that he has just about been given the axe by Journey already. Though the band did not have any other choice, kicking him off the tour was pretty much a statement in its own right and, to me, the above comment from Neal Schon seems to suggest the band might have had enough. The band have indeed been very patient with him.

[steveo777]

Well, if what is alleged in the court records is true, and I have little reason to doubt it is, then Deen's cries of having had his life ruined may well suggest that he has just about been given the axe by Journey already. Though the band did not have any other choice, kicking him off the tour was pretty much a statement in its own right and, to me, the above comment from Neal Schon seems to suggest the band might have had enough. The band have indeed been very patient with him.

I agree they needed to kick him off the tour. That was the right business decision for the band to be able to move forward. Yeah, it sounds like this is not Neal's first time dealing with Deen's issues. Seems Deen doesn't do well with time on his hands and the band has been off since their May residency in Las Vegas. Still, however, Damn it.....this sucks!

[JohnH]

Well, if what is alleged in the court records is true, and I have little reason to doubt it is, then Deen's cries of having had his life ruined may well suggest that he has just about been given the axe by Journey already. Though the band did not have any other choice, kicking him off the tour was pretty much a statement in its own right and, to me, the above comment from Neal Schon seems to suggest the band might have had enough. The band have indeed been very patient with him.

No denials this time either. Only an insanity plea by way of " he's on meth though. " And those voicemails and text seem like they are confessions with more evidence of guilt.

[FamilyMan]

The only circumstances in which Deen should be permanently replaced as Journey's drummer are if he's found guilty of rape. Or if Journey were already trying to get Steve Smith back in the band (Which was being reported by some) before this latest arrest.

He should not be replaced simply because it doesn't look good for the band, even though he was found not guilty.

I think there is another scenario - regardless of the rape charges, which obviously must be substantiated and proven in court. But now that the voice mail Deen left for the woman has been played in court, it means that by his own admission, he is sick and desperately needs help. Being in a touring rock band is obviously not a healthy environment for an addict. He obviously needs to get off the road and into a treatment facility and work on getting himself well. Journey (the gig, not the band) has probably been an enabler all these years. So regardless of the legal outcome, the band should probably do what's in his best interest - which is to replace him. Support him, of course ... but replace him. At least until he works through all this.

[Marabelle]

I agree with you on most of all your points except where you state Journey should support him. Nope. Not at all. Any support from anyone for an addict is that they have forgiven him. No contact from anyone. He has to truly do this alone. Allow him to feel the full range of emotions of shame and embarrassment and guilt and isolation. It's a long road for this man; I think perhaps he knows some where in that brain that he's possibly ended his career and relationships but if you give him any indication that you've forgiven him and will support him or even not forgiven him but will support him then everything in his mind is alright. He feels that he can get back on track long enough to get with the band and then he's back doing what he's been doing and the cycle continues.

[JourneyHard]

The time has come to get Steve Perry back.

The band's drummer just got accused of rape, not their singer. I don't follow.

I know this won't happen, but to get Steve Smith back might take getting Steve Perry back. Follow my logic. It won't happen, but I am trying to turn a bad situation into a positive.

[Memorex]

I agree with you on most of all your points except where you state Journey should support him. Nope. Not at all. Any support from anyone for an addict is that they have forgiven him. No contact from anyone. He has to truly do this alone. Allow him to feel the full range of emotions of shame and embarrassment and guilt and isolation. It's a long road for this man; I think perhaps he knows some where in that brain that he's possibly ended his career and relationships but if you give him any indication that you've forgiven him and will support him or even not forgiven him but will support him then everything in his mind is alright. He feels that he can get back on track long enough to get with the band and then he's back doing what he's been doing and the cycle continues.

Drug addiction, or any addiction, is an illness. I don't think anyone with such an illness should be left alone. That would be counter-productive. And Journey doesn't need to forgive him. This is Deen doing this to himself and his family. To isolate someone in his position would be tantamount to torture.

[Marabelle]

You missed the point. He needs professional help. He needs rehab. Family and friends are not who you go to for help when you are dealing with this illness.

[JBlake]

The time has come to get Steve Perry back.

The band's drummer just got accused of rape, not their singer. I don't follow.

I think the idea behind this is, getting Perry back, other members, including a former drummer, would then want to come back.

Steve Perry coming back to front Journey? Like Richard Dawson once said...."Only in a rerun".

[Memorex]

I do not understand all the Steve Perry comments. This has as much to do with Steve Perry as it does you and me. If Steve didn't want to come back before, then I can't imagine in what universe he'd want to come back because their drummer has issues. I make zero connections here and others are acting like it's such a great chance. I just don't get it. Steve Perry's name should have never even been mentioned in this thread as far as I'm concerned.

[JBlake]

I agree with you on most of all your points except where you state Journey should support him. Nope. Not at all. Any support from anyone for an addict is that they have forgiven him. No contact from anyone. He has to truly do this alone. Allow him to feel the full range of emotions of shame and embarrassment and guilt and isolation. It's a long road for this man; I think perhaps he knows some where in that brain that he's possibly ended his career and relationships but if you give him any indication that you've forgiven him and will support him or even not forgiven him but will support him then everything in his mind is alright. He feels that he can get back on track long enough to get with the band and then he's back doing what he's been doing and the cycle continues.

Moral support is a big part of what they're talking about. Plus maybe help the guy out by paying for some professional help/rehab. Those are very reasonable things to do for a band (team) member wouldn't you think?

Cutting him off completely from communications, moral support, etc. is just alienating him which, depending on the individual, could be very destructive.

[Memorex]

I agree with you on most of all your points except where you state Journey should support him. Nope. Not at all. Any support from anyone for an addict is that they have forgiven him. No contact from anyone. He has to truly do this alone. Allow him to feel the full range of emotions of shame and embarrassment and guilt and isolation. It's a long road for this man; I think perhaps he knows some where in that brain that he's possibly ended his career and relationships but if you give him any indication that you've forgiven him and will support him or even not forgiven him but will support him then everything in his mind is alright. He feels that he can get back on track long enough to get with the band and then he's back doing what he's been doing and the cycle continues.

Moral support is a big part of what they're talking about. Plus maybe help the guy out by paying for some professional help/rehab. Those are very reasonable things to do for a band (team) member wouldn't you think?

Cutting him off completely from communications, moral support, etc. is just alienating him which, depending on the individual, could be very destructive.

Totally agree. Moving from where Deen is to where Deen needs to be will take him doing this and the lions share of the work for sure. But who wants to get better if people desert you? Whoever cares about Deen in life should support him in his efforts. Again and again until there comes a point where you won't or can't care anymore because it hurts yourself. Never leave someone alone that needs that knowledge that you care.

[Monker]

You know, after reading this thread, I really hope they finish the tour Hakim, plan a tour next year with Steve Smith and Gregg Rolie. After that, get a long term gig in Vegas and just add a session drummer, or Mugs...give an open invite to all past members of the band to join them at any time.

And, put a halt to touring for good. Things are just at a point where they really have to ask themselves if it is still worth it.

[Memorex]

You know, after reading this thread, I really hope they finish the tour Hakim, plan a tour next year with Steve Smith and Gregg Rolie. After that, get a long term gig in Vegas and just add a session drummer, or Mugs...give an open invite to all past members of the band to join them at any time.

And, put a halt to touring for good. Things are just at a point where they really have to ask themselves if it is still worth it.

Still worth it? I was one of the ones that felt Journey should have hung it up instead of moving on without Perry. And I still feel that way to some degree. At the very least I find the show a snoozefest, except for Neal who will always have my ear. But, I can certainly recognize the current situation they have built towards. You have a combination of constant touring and becoming this greatest hits band along with the resurgence of DSB and boom, you have one of the biggest tours each year. Every dollar they are losing from no one buying music anymore is more than made up for by touring.

Who in their right mind would build to this level and then park it just because we may not find all of this attractive? I'm telling you, 99.9% of the people going to these shows could care less who is behind the drum kit. They can tour for the next many years and pocket quite a chunk of change.

Clearly, playing the dirty dozen is enough for them to have continued this far. That means this is just a financial juggernaut for them and not some artistic outlet anymore.

[Eric]

You know, after reading this thread, I really hope they finish the tour Hakim, plan a tour next year with Steve Smith and Gregg Rolie. After that, get a long term gig in Vegas and just add a session drummer, or Mugs...give an open invite to all past members of the band to join them at any time.

And, put a halt to touring for good. Things are just at a point where they really have to ask themselves if it is still worth it.

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[steveo777]

Any idea how many peeps were at that show? I heard over 60,000. That's huge!

[brywool]

Any idea how many peeps were at that show? I heard over 60,000. That's huge!

Yes, they obviously don't draw anymore.

[JBlake]

I always thought that touring benefitted the band for a number of reasons. But (IMO) if they want to continue to go on prosperous tours, they need to produce new material and play it on those tours. Classic Journey is "cool" to listen to and all, but I'm more interested in hearing, seeing performances of, and purchasing NEW Journey material.

[brywool]

I always thought that touring benefitted the band for a number of reasons. But (IMO) if they want to continue to go on prosperous tours, they need to produce new material and play it on those tours. Classic Journey is "cool" to listen to and all, but I'm more interested in hearing, seeing performances of, and purchasing NEW Journey material.

Unfortunately, new material only seems to work for the hardcore fans. Most people hear new material and think "Bathroom break". That's GOTTA suck.

[JBlake]

I always thought that touring benefitted the band for a number of reasons. But (IMO) if they want to continue to go on prosperous tours, they need to produce new material and play it on those tours. Classic Journey is "cool" to listen to and all, but I'm more interested in hearing, seeing performances of, and purchasing NEW Journey material.

Unfortunately, new material only seems to work for the hardcore fans. Most people hear new material and think "Bathroom break". That's GOTTA suck.

Revelation was the last Journey album I purchased. I'd love to buy a new one if they would have a new album consisting of fresh new tracks.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Revelation was the last Journey album I purchased. I'd love to buy a new one if they would have a new album consisting of fresh new tracks.

Plenty of copies of Eclipse sitting at a WallyWorld near you! In all seriousness, Eclipse was much fresher and creative than Revelation.

[DracIsBack]

Well, if what is alleged in the court records is true, and I have little reason to doubt it is

This is what bothers me about "trial by media". You weren't *there*. You didn't *see* what went down. You *haven't* sat on a jury. You haven't gone through the *prosecution's case*, but yet you've already convicted the man.

I agree - it doesn't look good. But for the love of god, let a jury do its job.

Sorry, but I'm on a tear about this. I just witnessed another woman on Twitter referring to someone else who defended Bill Cosby's right to a trial and right to be convicted by a jury (Note: wasn't actually defending Bill Cosby himself) as a "rapist" for "defending him." (aka. "Let a jury decide his fate")

Court of public opinion is a nasty thing. Whether innocent or guilty, Dean's career is likely already over because of the court of public opinion.

[Sundet]

Well, if what is alleged in the court records is true, and I have little reason to doubt it is

This is what bothers me about "trial by media". You weren't *there*. You didn't *see* what went down. You *haven't* sat on a jury. You haven't gone through the *prosecution's case*, but yet you've already convicted the man.

I agree - it doesn't look good. But for the love of god, let a jury do its job.

Sorry, but I'm on a tear about this. I just witnessed another woman on Twitter referring to someone else who defended Bill Cosby's right to a trial and right to be convicted by a jury (Note: wasn't actually defending Bill Cosby himself) as a "rapist" for "defending him." (aka. "Let a jury decide his fate")

Court of public opinion is a nasty thing. Whether innocent or guilty, Dean's career is likely already over because of the court of public opinion.

Though I did put it rather clumsily, I was mainly referring to the playback of the messages he had left, which, in terms of Deen despairing that his life is essentially ruined and so on and so forth, seemed to imply that he had been more or less given the axe by the band already, while the statements made by the police, such as him being high on drugs to the point of hallucinating upon his arrest, also suggests that he has a serious substance problem. Whether or not he is guilty of the accusations of rape and whatnot I obviously do not know, but my point was that his arrest and the circumstances surrounding it was enough for the band to kick him off the tour, and even if they had not, they would have had to anyway owing to the fact that Deen was jailed.

That being said, I do feel the band would be entitled to let Deen go permanently even if he isn't found guilty of the charges against him, if only due to the fact that he was undisputedly high on drugs which - even if the other accusations against him are noe true - did cause enough of a debacle to turn into a media event and as such bad publicity for the band. Indeed, you would find that most companies would have taken this stance and, on another note, even a short glance at US Visa and Visa Waiver regulations suggest that you are quite likely to be denied entry into the US if you have been involved in some kind of drug-related incident without ever being convicted or even charged.

Had Deen not been high on drugs and not made a series of phone calls in breach of court rulings (and in which he admitted as much as having a drug problem), it probably would have been another matter. But, alas, this is not the case.

[tater1977]

Trial set for Journey drummer Deen Castronovo

http://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/n ... /29845503/

Alisha Roemeling Statesman Journal 7:13 p.m. PDT July 7, 2015


A jury trial has been scheduled for Deen Castronovo, the 50-year-old drummer for the rock band Journey, who police say physically and sexually abused a woman during an alleged domestic violence incident.

Court documents indicate Castronovo, who is facing a slew of charges, will appear before Marion County Circuit Judge Thomas Hart at 9 a.m. Oct. 22 for a two-day trial.

Castronovo was initially arrested by Salem Police officers June 14 following a dispute that was described as constituting domestic violence.

He was charged with fourth-degree assault and menacing. Marion County Circuit Judge Channing Bennett set bail at $20,000. Castronovo posted bail and was released. He also was ordered to have no contact with the victim.

Following his June 15 release, according to Deputy District Attorney Jennifer Gardiner, Castronovo sent 122 text messages to the victim and called her 35 times.

The Salem-based rock star was arrested on a grand jury indictment June 29 in Salem. The indictment indicates the alleged abuse took place between April 25 and June 29.

Castronovo was arraigned June 30 on five counts of fourth-degree assault, one count of first-degree rape, two counts of menacing, one count of unlawful use of a weapon, one count of second-degree assault, one count of second-degree sex abuse, one count of coercion, one count of second-degree criminal mischief, and three counts of contempt of court, according to the indictment.

At a bail hearing July 1 details of the alleged domestic violence were revealed.

Gardiner said Castronovo threw the victim into a wall 14 times, pulled her hair, sexually assaulted her and forced her to have sex with him. Gardiner said the assaults left large bruises on the victim’s legs, arms and breasts.

As Gardiner read details of the alleged incident, Castronovo talked to himself and sometimes looked toward the ceiling. He appeared weary and took deep breaths and seemed to shake. At one point Castronovo wobbled and nearly fell over. Three deputies helped him to sit in a chair as he closed his eyes.

Castronovo’s attorney, Jeffery Jones, said at the time of his arrest he was first taken to Salem Hospital because of his overdose condition before being booked at the Marion County jail.

Following the June 14 arrest, Castronovo was dropped from a number of Journey’s summer concert dates.

This was not the first time Castronovo, who now lives in South Salem, has faced domestic issues.

Following a January 2012 incident at his home in West Salem, he was charged with reckless endangerment, interfering with making a police report, second-degree criminal mischief and harassment involving a woman who identified herself as Castronovo’s ex-girlfriend, according to police.

In that case Castronovo was ordered to perform 80 hours of community service and attend anger-management classes as part of a diversion agreement.

Castronovo is set to appear before Hart for a pre-trial release hearing at 2:30 p.m. July 10 at the Marion County Courthouse.