Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

[Journey/Survivor]

Yeah, this movie plot has been run. Maybe that's why there hasn't been any coffee date scheduled yet. I am disappointed that most of the fans are siding with Neal, but like you said, not unexpected.

If what has been made public is true, I don't see how anyone could not side with Neal???

Cain refuses to record new Journey music. Refuses to change the live sets. And is arguably bringing religion and politics in to interviews that are supposed to be for Journey.

If everything being said is true, then Cain is a cancer to Journey at this time?!?!

[Gideon]

Yeah, this movie plot has been run. Maybe that's why there hasn't been any coffee date scheduled yet. I am disappointed that most of the fans are siding with Neal, but like you said, not unexpected.

If what has been made public is true, I don't see how anyone could not side with Neal???

Cain refuses to record new Journey music. Refuses to change the live sets. And is arguably bringing religion and politics in to interviews that are supposed to be for Journey.

If everything being said is true, then Cain is a cancer to Journey at this time?!?!

I agree with Neal on keeping Journey secular and putting out new material, but he's been a complete egomaniacal dickhead about the whole thing.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I agree with Neal on keeping Journey secular and putting out new material, but he's been a complete egomaniacal dickhead about the whole thing.

What was it that Herbie said...Neal ain't the sharpest tool in the shed, knife in the drawer, or something. Pretty obvious.

[The_Noble_Cause]

How many Neal interviews from town to town touch on his solo stuff, Santana, etc? It just so happens that in asking Jon about solo stuff, it is not about Vortex Shredding, but about Christianity. What would you have Jon do?

Old saying, never discuss politics or religion at the dinner table. What Jon is promoting is NOT just secular rock music. As Neal said already "I’ve stated how I felt about mixing religion and politics and how our music is not of one religion – Democratic or Republican." He's right. Cain is hurting the brand,

[tater1977]

Neal Schon FB
2 hrs ·

https://www.facebook.com/schonmusic?fref=photo

Last night in Springfield improv solo with "Amazing Grace"

[JourneyHard]

I think Herbie Herbert was the brains of the operation. He made them so much money that they would have never made.

You have to spend money to make money. In the Escape concert, they shot off a cannon that went right through the "poster" of the Escape album cover. That was cool. Journey needs to do more stuff to make their concerts stand out.

Perry used to make the concerts fun by being a true frontman and connecting with the audience, and also doing special improv to the songs that were probably practiced beforehand, but it was something new to the song. Extra lyrics to make it cool for the show goers.

Neal just wants to rock, and I respect that, but there is so much money to be made that they aren't making that is ridiculous.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Neal just wants to rock, and I respect that, but there is so much money to be made that they aren't making that is ridiculous.

The concerts are stale. No doubt about it. I also don't think Arnel is a particularly good front man. Great singer!

[Eric]

Neal just wants to rock, and I respect that, but there is so much money to be made that they aren't making that is ridiculous.

The concerts are stale. No doubt about it. I also don't think Arnel is a particularly good front man. Great singer!

I dunno. The crowd seems to really eat him up.

[scarab]

Glad I passed on this.
First it wasnt gonna be an Escape/Frontiers setlist,
and most of all, the very sad passing of John Wetton.

Arnel seems the only one who is trying here, and his voice seems to be off. Cant blame that cause he really needs a break. Hope they give him that after this tour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHs5BAvNmWc

In my dreams next tour will have Gregg (and not Jon), after a good break, and they will do an Infinity full album tour. 2018 40 years Damn Im old.

[George_g888]

I find this relevant..

https://twitter.com/NealSchonMusic/stat ... 4765934592
@Leonard_Misner
Will jon be gone at the end of this tour or will he make a legal issue out of it?

NEAL SCHON MUSIC Retweeted Leonard Misner
We are committed already to late next year so we will have to see what happens.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I dunno. The crowd seems to really eat him up.

I said "I don't think".... I wasn't speaking for the crowds or anyone else. If we want to go down that route, a member of Journey management has said on and off record that it really doesn't matter who's fronting. Its the songs. Imo Arnel is pretty much amateur hour. When they toured with Foreigner, Kelly owned the stage like a boss.

[JourneyHard]

When they toured with Foreigner, Kelly owned the stage like a boss.

This is true. Kelly was really great.

At this point, Journey needs to hire five singers and do a three-hour show. This would allow them to do all their hits, and have time to do other stuff, too.

Also, the guy I saw perform Journey songs with the Detroit Symphony Orchestra was a great frontman. Journey should just hire him for one tour. He really connected with the audience. He was asking what songs the audience wanted to hear. When they yelled out, Don't Stop Believ'n, he joked, "I never heard of that song!" The whole audience laughed.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Also, the guy I saw perform Journey songs with the Detroit Symphony Orchestra was a great frontman. Journey should just hire him for one tour. He really connected with the audience. He was asking what songs the audience wanted to hear. When they yelled out, Don't Stop Believ'n, he joked, "I never heard of that song!" The whole audience laughed.

Any footage or links? I'd like to hear this guy.

[bellairepark73]

Neal is at it again with his re-tweeting of him and Jon and convenient amnesia (sp?). And back to his conspiracy charges of websites being hacked. Once again, this scene is being played out, and the movie goes on and on and on and on. The person who was blamed as the problem is NOT the one we were spoon-fed, force-fed, and/or taught was and always will be the problem (S "The Voice" P). I think the problem is Jon's wife because I have NOT seen Jon say or do anything that would jeopardize the tour or JRNY. Core issues with Neal and other band members STILL not worked out. I hope they work this out because they have a tour with Def Leopard supposedly scheduled for 2018. And they STILL treat Arnel like a trained dog. No breaks!!! He needs to fight for himself now.

Sigh...How much you wanna bet I'm gonna say...I want Steve back? Oh...I just said it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Neal is at it again with his re-tweeting of him and Jon and convenient amnesia (sp?). And back to his conspiracy charges of websites being hacked. Once again, this scene is being played out, and the movie goes on and on and on and on. The person who was blamed as the problem is NOT the one we were spoon-fed, force-fed, and/or taught was and always will be the problem (S "The Voice" P). I think the problem is Jon's wife because I have NOT seen Jon say or do anything that would jeopardize the tour or JRNY. Core issues with Neal and other band members STILL not worked out. I hope they work this out because they have a tour with Def Leopard supposedly scheduled for 2018. And they STILL treat Arnel like a trained dog. No breaks!!! He needs to fight for himself now.

Sigh...How much you wanna bet I'm gonna say...I want Steve back? Oh...I just said it.

The hacking accusations are pretty funny. A few months ago, he said an NBC affiliate had buried a story about him....really sounds crazy.

[Abitaman]

Neal is at it again with his re-tweeting of him and Jon and convenient amnesia (sp?). And back to his conspiracy charges of websites being hacked. Once again, this scene is being played out, and the movie goes on and on and on and on. The person who was blamed as the problem is NOT the one we were spoon-fed, force-fed, and/or taught was and always will be the problem (S "The Voice" P). I think the problem is Jon's wife because I have NOT seen Jon say or do anything that would jeopardize the tour or JRNY. Core issues with Neal and other band members STILL not worked out. I hope they work this out because they have a tour with Def Leopard supposedly scheduled for 2018. And they STILL treat Arnel like a trained dog. No breaks!!! He needs to fight for himself now.

Sigh...How much you wanna bet I'm gonna say...I want Steve back? Oh...I just said it.

I am being to think Neal and Trump are the same person with all this Twitter crap.

[Memorex]

Neal is at it again with his re-tweeting of him and Jon and convenient amnesia (sp?). And back to his conspiracy charges of websites being hacked. Once again, this scene is being played out, and the movie goes on and on and on and on. The person who was blamed as the problem is NOT the one we were spoon-fed, force-fed, and/or taught was and always will be the problem (S "The Voice" P). I think the problem is Jon's wife because I have NOT seen Jon say or do anything that would jeopardize the tour or JRNY. Core issues with Neal and other band members STILL not worked out. I hope they work this out because they have a tour with Def Leopard supposedly scheduled for 2018. And they STILL treat Arnel like a trained dog. No breaks!!! He needs to fight for himself now.

Sigh...How much you wanna bet I'm gonna say...I want Steve back? Oh...I just said it.

I am being to think Neal and Trump are the same person with all this Twitter crap.

Let's turn on CNN and see if they have lost their minds. Then we will know for sure.

[jrnyman28]

Neal just wants to rock, and I respect that, but there is so much money to be made that they aren't making that is ridiculous.

The concerts are stale. No doubt about it. I also don't think Arnel is a particularly good front man. Great singer!

I was never interested in seeing Journey with Arnel, but when I did (with Steve Miller and T.O.P) he and Deen were the best parts of the gig.

[bellairepark73]

Neal Schon FB
2 hrs ·

https://www.facebook.com/schonmusic?fref=photo

Last night in Springfield improv solo with "Amazing Grace"

So its good for Neal to do, but not Jon?!? He is the one who wears crosses all over his chest and talks about God bless America. And i from what I heard from recent concert goers, lulling them to sleep with REALLY long solos.

[bellairepark73]

I am inclined to think along these lines. He has been getting a lot of flack for just speaking his mind. Being accused by one fan of slander. Stupidity. Its an observation people. But...probably in this case...an accurate one.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xxsCACYArSw

[bellairepark73]

Now people are espousing violence in behalf of Neal as if he needs them to be his body guard. THIS IS MUSIC PEOPLE!!! Not life and death. Stop making this to be bigger than what it is!!! Worse...Neal is liking those kinds of tweets!!! Steve would be disappointed and would not agree to any of this nonsense. No wonder he stays off of social media like the plague! Its a mess.
Check out @NealSchonMusic's Tweet: https://twitter.com/NealSchonMusic/stat ... 46208?s=09

[JourneyHard]

Sorry! I had to do this! Take this in light-hearted fun please!

Neal & Jon
(Parody of John Mellencamp’s Jack & Diane)

A little tizzy 'bout Neal & Jon,
Two Americans fighting over Faith in the heart land,
Neal he's wants to keep the music secular,
When Neal’s not looking, Jon kicks his guitar,
Talking about the Hall of Fame at the local Applebee’s,
Jon sets his Bible on the table,
Got his hamburger loaded with cheese,
Neal he says:
"Hey, Jon, let's take off and write a new CD,
Dribble off those sappy ballads,
Let me rock as I please"

Saying oh yeah,
Life goes on, long after the thrill of Journey is gone,
Sayin' oh yeah,
Life goes on, long after the thrill of Journey is gone,
Now rock on

Neal he sits back, collects his thoughts for a moment,
Scratches his head, and does his best Herbie Herbert,
Well, now then, there, Jon, we ought to get Perry back in the band,

Jon says:
"Neal, Perry ain't missing nothing!"

But Neal he says:
"Oh yeah, life goes on, long after the thrill of Journey is gone"
Oh yeah
He says: "life goes on, long after the thrill of Journey is gone"

Oh, let it rock, let it roll,
Let the bible belt come and save my soul,
Holdin' on to the Dirty Dozen as long as you can,
Change is coming 'round real soon,
Make us play Christian Rock instead,
Oh yeah, life goes on,
A little tizzy 'bout Neal and Jon,
Not sure what they are fighting about

[bellairepark73]

Great post Journeyhard. Too bad this drama is what is interesting. A spat that is turning into an UGLY battle of supremacy. Ugly and immature. But funny post.

[HydraRed]

I've always respected Neal and think he's an incredible guitar player and was one of my influences to pick up the instrument..but the man is starting to sound delusional. I mean really? This is the kind of thing my grandfather posts on Facebook at 3 am after he has too much to drink.

https://twitter.com/nealschonmusic/status/886027775575863296

[The_Noble_Cause]

I've always respected Neal and think he's an incredible guitar player and was one of my influences to pick up the instrument..but the man is starting to sound delusional. I mean really? This is the kind of thing my grandfather posts on Facebook at 3 am after he has too much to drink.

https://twitter.com/nealschonmusic/status/886027775575863296

Lol....uhh what?

[perryfan61]

Neal is narcissistic, paranoid and delusional. It's gone WAAAAY past being amusing, he needs to stay away from Twitter for awhile.....but he seems addicted to it. Good thing I'm not, I ignore his tweets these days.

[Eric]

Neal is narcissistic, paranoid and delusional. It's gone WAAAAY past being amusing, he needs to stay away from Twitter for awhile.....but he seems addicted to it. Good thing I'm not, I ignore his tweets these days.

I agree staying away from Twitter is a good idea - but I definitely see where he is coming from. Long before the "beef" became public on Twitter I was annoyed at the things that Schon is now speaking out against.

[bellairepark73]

Neal is narcissistic, paranoid and delusional. It's gone WAAAAY past being amusing, he needs to stay away from Twitter for awhile.....but he seems addicted to it. Good thing I'm not, I ignore his tweets these days.

Yeah, I am starting to ignore his constant posting of his solos and tweets. I think Chunky Money said it best, to paraphrase, 'maybe you have to readjust your view'? There is NO HACKING going on, dude. And people are so QUICK to jump on his bandwagon and defense, falling all over themselves as to look completely STUPID and FAWNING, and Neal seems to feed into that.

I haven't been to a JRNY concert, but most fans say that they don't hear Jon do or say ANYTHING about religion. I don't find anything offensive about talking about his solo projects and his passion. Neal wears crosses and plays Amazing Grace, but no one bats an eye. It's only good for Neal to do because supposedly its his band. So I guess everyone else works for him. Does Neal count them on his taxes as an expense or taking out social security and income tax for them on their W-2??? I know no one knows about that, but this is ridiculous.

[bellairepark73]

Neal is narcissistic, paranoid and delusional. It's gone WAAAAY past being amusing, he needs to stay away from Twitter for awhile.....but he seems addicted to it. Good thing I'm not, I ignore his tweets these days.

Yeah, I am starting to ignore his constant posting of his solos and tweets. I think Chunky Money said it best, to paraphrase, 'maybe you have to readjust your view'? There is NO HACKING going on, dude. And people are so QUICK to jump on his bandwagon and defense, falling all over themselves as to look completely STUPID and FAWNING, and Neal seems to feed into that.

I haven't been to a JRNY concert, but most fans say that they don't hear Jon do or say ANYTHING about religion. I don't find anything offensive about talking about his solo projects and his passion. Neal wears crosses and plays Amazing Grace, but no one bats an eye. It's only good for Neal to do because supposedly its his band. So I guess everyone else works for him. Does Neal count them on his taxes as an expense or taking out social security and income tax for them on their W-2??? I know no one knows about that, but this is ridiculous.

[JourneyHard]

All the drama would end if they released a new album and it was out of this world. But it seems this band is headed in no direction, and that is sad especially for a band named Journey. They are just spinning their wheels.