Classic Journey

[heardonthestreet]

I think that the Steve Perry years will be Journey's only claim to fame and this is why this new Journey will only ever be a greatest hits band in many peoples eyes.

[jrnyjetster]

It's been 7 freakin' years NOW! GET OVER IT! The answer is OBVIOUS, but I'm sorry YOU can't move forward with this band..

[Rockindeano]

I think that the Steve Perry years will be Journey's only claim to fame and this is why this new Journey will only ever be a greatest hits band in many peoples eyes.

So be it then. If people cannot understand two very simple factors involved then screw 'em..

1) Steve Perry dragged his feet, and never came back, thus what the hell does Neal and Jon have to go on? Actions speak louder than words..

2) Do Perry fans(of which I am one), really expect or even hope a talented artist like Cain and Schon should wait for ....9 years to bring back a singer who really isn't coming back? Nope.

I can't even believe I am writing this again for the millionth time.

To say I am wrong about the Perry issue of him not coming back; to have a Perry fan say, "well, he probably would have if Neal gave him a chance" is bullshit too..because if he wanted to come back, he would have done so in a solo role..

[surfside]

This is my first post and I have to say this:

Steve Perry should have NEVER been REPLACED!!!

He MADE that band! You don't REPLACE artists. This is about the music, the song writing chemistry and the PERFORMANCE-you can never replace that! This is NOT like a manager job at Wal-Mart. This is a person who basically took a "job" and made it his own. I once loved and believed in that band. That decision they made in 1998 has forever cheapened music for me. I never in my wildest dreams thought they would reduce themselves to a cover band.

If it took 3, 5 years or however long it took or if they NEVER got back together-the unknown, what a concept!
In the end as artists, all you have is your respectability and integrity-they LOST that in 1998.

And NO, I can't get over it. Steve Perry is the reason why I like music. You don't replace THAT!

[Liz22562]

Journey is a cover band? (Liz is scratching her head in bewilderment). I own just about everything they have ever put out on cd, meaning before Steve Perry and after.

And yes, I understand your meaning...

Here we go again....

Journey On...

[yak]

heardonthestreet, did you ever see medical records verifying that Perry was "ailing" as you put it :?:

How about answering THAT question!



This is just another feeble attempt by heardonthestreet to
1) get her name at the top of this board and keep it there, and
2) attempt to throw a monkey wrench into the works, because that's ALL she has left.

Now there's a shocker!

[The_Noble_Cause]

If you don't like an Augeri-fronted Journey, then don't listen.

I have friends who stopped listening to Van Halen when they brought in Hagar.
So they moved on.
They don't incessantly bitch about it.
Why is this even an argument?
If you like what you hear, listen to it.
If you don't, just pass on by.

Arrival was fairly solid.
Remember Me was fantastic.
and Red 13 showed promise.
I like what I hear, and see (both on record and in concert).
Therefore, I will continue to be a fan.
If you don't like it, that's cool-just pass on by.

[NealIsGod]

True. There are three incarnations of Journey - pre-Perry, Perry and Augeri. The third one is still in its infancy, so it is silly to compare it to the previous two. One CD and an EP is hardly enough material to make a valid comparison.

I LOVE Van Halen with Roth. I also love Van Halen with Hagar, but would choose the Roth Van Halen any day. I still look forward to the next Van Halen CD (if there will ever be one) just as much as if Roth was the singer. Similarly, I look forward to the next Journey CD just as much as I would if Steve Perry was still the singer. Journey is more than Steve Perry. IMO, Neal is the heart and soul of the group.

So just appreciate Journey for what they are now. They are still better than anyone else out there.

[Rockindeano]

So just appreciate Journey for what they are now. They are still better than anyone else out there.[/quote]

Maybe or maybe not, but I don't know of an act that is better right now....So you get some fans who are pissed that Journey went on? Like Neal is supposed to frickin retire? What horseshit! Look, I was pissed, hurt, and bewildered by the perry absence, in fact I still am.. but you know what? the world keeps turning, we keep paying taxes, and oh yeah, Journey STILL exists! If you don't like it, go to a BTO or Foreigner board or some crap...I hate trollers..get a life dickhead.

[sngrchk04]

Well, considering that Steve Perry is the WHOLE REASON WHY I'm now a singer...

...Journey made the right choice and cut bait.

And, over the years, I've come to realize that I am a Steve Perry fan, and not so much of a "Journey" fan. I mean, I loved Journey....because Steve Perry was in it.

And you know, I've always believed that "actions speak louder than words", too. And if Steve P. was in the band "against his will" TODAY (meaning, the "will" of the Management, Label, etc.), then IMO that would become painfully obvious....sooner or later.

[perryfaithful]

So just appreciate Journey for what they are now. They are still better than anyone else out there.

Maybe or maybe not, but I don't know of an act that is better right now....So you get some fans who are pissed that Journey went on? Like Neal is supposed to frickin retire? What horseshit! Look, I was pissed, hurt, and bewildered by the perry absence, in fact I still am.. but you know what? the world keeps turning, we keep paying taxes, and oh yeah, Journey STILL exists! If you don't like it, go to a BTO or Foreigner board or some crap...I hate trollers..get a life dickhead.[/quote]

What happened to you?

[jrnyman28]

I think that the Steve Perry years will be Journey's only claim to fame

Ya know, that could be true...but does that mean they shouldn't have even TRIED? I think it is FAR better to try and fail (although I do not believe Journey has failed) than to not try at all. I commend Journey for following their heart, their soul, their music.

and this is why this new Journey will only ever be a greatest hits band in many peoples eyes.

The problem is most of "those" people have their eyes closed...

[jrnyman28]

This is my first post and I have to say this:

Steve Perry should have NEVER been REPLACED!!!

Too bad he left no choice...

He MADE that band!

No, he was PART of the band. The collective talents in the band made Journey successful. Perry WAS the face of Journey and (during his time) the voice of Journey.

You don't REPLACE artists.

Are you considered an artist if you don't create anything...
Perry quit being an artist.

This is about the music, the song writing chemistry and the PERFORMANCE-you can never replace that!

And to have chemistry there has to be MORE than ONE person. I guess they were a GROUP after all! nd guess what? There is amazing chemistry on stage, the performance is stellar. And even though a lot of bands can have long careers without actually writing their own music, the fact is that the songwriting is STILL there. Arrival has great songs. The lyrics of RED13 are amazing.

This is NOT like a manager job at Wal-Mart.

But it is still a job. And if you can't or won't show up for it, then you can expect to lose it!

This is a person who basically took a "job" and made it his own.

And it still is. Steve Augeri has now taken the job and is making it his own.

I once loved and believed in that band.

I still do.

That decision they made in 1998 has forever cheapened music for me.

I guess I don't really have a response to that. The music of Journey that you love so much has not changed. Nothing will change their past. And if you want to stay there, you can still be happy with it. However, I don't think you have listened to Journey's new music, or their lyrics. I think you have maybe only listened to the voice. And you feel that, since it is NOT the voice you want to hear, it is not good. But I feel that is wrong. Just because you don't like something does not mean it is bad. I don't like opera but I think Andea Bocelli is an incredibly talented singer.

I never in my wildest dreams thought they would reduce themselves to a cover band.

'They" haven't! Fans who can't move forward have. Journey has not wanted to be ONLYT a Greatest Hits Band. but it is the fans that demand that they play the hits. The band continues to create new music, this excludes them from being a "cover" band. A cover band does not make it's own music.

If it took 3, 5 years or however long it took or if they NEVER got back together-the unknown, what a concept!

Well, some will change this comment to mean something else...but I firmly believe having Journey today (with Steve) is better than NO Journey. And if we were waiting on Perry than that is EXACTLY what we would have!

In the end as artists, all you have is your respectability and integrity-they LOST that in 1998.

Funny how perspective works. In MY eyes, Journey GAINED respect and integrity by making the decision.

And NO, I can't get over it.

I am truly sorry.

Steve Perry is the reason why I like music.

Me too, with Neal, Smitty, Gregg, Ross...Freddie Mercury, Brian May, John Deacon and Roger Taylor...and MANY others. I would never be able to attribute my love of music to just ONE person. But Perry played a significant role. But he bailed, I moved on.

You don't replace THAT!

Journey did.

[jrnyman28]

If you don't like an Augeri-fronted Journey, then don't listen.

I have friends who stopped listening to Van Halen when they brought in Hagar.
So they moved on.
They don't incessantly bitch about it.
Why is this even an argument?
If you like what you hear, listen to it.
If you don't, just pass on by.

Arrival was fairly solid.
Remember Me was fantastic.
and Red 13 showed promise.
I like what I hear, and see (both on record and in concert).
Therefore, I will continue to be a fan.
If you don't like it, that's cool-just pass on by.

PRE-CISELY!
I can't think of another band that has gone through what Journey has and STILL has people complaining about it.
I see posts occassionally, stating a preference of Roth or Hagar. But not continued debate over the decisions.
I know REO had some trouble for a while when Gary left. But not continued debate over it.
AC?/DC, Ratt, Warrant, Skid Row, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Foreigner, Styx, Queen (well, Queen comes close, there is always debate when someone else sings with Queen. But they did NOT replace their singer.) ALL have had the same issues, but not continued debate over it.

Fans either accept the change, listen to it and decide if they like it or not, or stop being fans.

I think the difference is whether you were a JOURNEY fan or a PERRY fan. If you are a JOURNEY fan you can move on because the band has gone through MANY line-up changes over the years and has still been talented and successful. (The definitions of success vary).
If you are a PERRY fan than you didn't really care about the rest of the band. So WHY Care now?

[jrnyman28]

True. There are three incarnations of Journey - pre-Perry, Perry and Augeri. The third one is still in its infancy, so it is silly to compare it to the previous two. One CD and an EP is hardly enough material to make a valid comparison.

Another good point. Although it can be said that Journey during the Perry years put out a lot more music in the same period of time. However, I don't think I have ever seen a shred of proof that that fact can be directly attributed to Perry. I could be wrong but...
So much was different in those years. The music climate, the music business, and of course the age of the band members.

I LOVE Van Halen with Roth. I also love Van Halen with Hagar, but would choose the Roth Van Halen any day. I still look forward to the next Van Halen CD (if there will ever be one) just as much as if Roth was the singer. Similarly, I look forward to the next Journey CD just as much as I would if Steve Perry was still the singer.

Sounds like an open mind to me.

Journey is more than Steve Perry. IMO, Neal is the heart and soul of the group.

Maybe, but I still think of Journey as the sum of it's parts. It is true that I cannot imagine a Journey without Neal...but has always been for him. He IS the only constant in Journey.

So just appreciate Journey for what they are now. They are still better than anyone else out there.

Yes!

[jrnyman28]

Look, I was pissed, hurt, and bewildered by the perry absence, in fact I still am.. but you know what? the world keeps turning, we keep paying taxes, and oh yeah, Journey STILL exists!

I think a lot of people forget that we ALL went through the same feelings. I was not sure if I could accept a Perry-less Journey in the beginning either. But I decided to go to a show and see for myself. I was impressed by the things Steve did right. There were things that he did not pull off at the time, but it was the things he did right that influenced me. And he has only gotten better with time. I am glad I was able to let go of Perry. I miss him, but not in Journey.

[jrnyman28]

Well, considering that Steve Perry is the WHOLE REASON WHY I'm now a singer...

...Journey made the right choice and cut bait.

And, over the years, I've come to realize that I am a Steve Perry fan, and not so much of a "Journey" fan. I mean, I loved Journey....because Steve Perry was in it.

I think Nora had the breakthrough that other Perry fans may not have. She realizes that she was not really a "Journey" fan. So she is not hung up on the decisions Journey makes. (I of course do not want to put words into Nora's mouth, but this is the impression that I get from her posts.)

[jrnyman28]

WHEW!
That was fun...

[Rockindeano]

If only people would show this much interest in politics, so they can be informed when they vote..or how about people showing interest in the NHL lockout.....

I swear just like the opening paragraph to Behind the Music when the voice over says, "One of RocknRolls greatest Mysteries.."" This has to be it


This is the argument that won't die.. Now just think if Steve Perry woke up one day, and said, "Goddammit, I am putting out a CD and touring!" Now that would be the icing on the cake, and you know what..we would ALL go see him wouldn't we? Shut up Monker, you would too!


PerryFaithful- I told you where I was..Home doped up on Vicodin because I broke my wrist and leg in that train wreck(sabatoge)..Remember about 3 weeks ago???

[perryfaithful]

PerryFaithful- I told you where I was..Home doped up on Vicodin because I broke my wrist and leg in that train wreck(sabatoge)..Remember about 3 weeks ago???

I know that Rock! You misunderstood my question! Get better.....

[RubyTequila]

Thank God the JOURNEY continues!

[heardonthestreet]

Thanks everyone for your posts to this poll. I'ts not hard to understand where you all are coming from and for your reasons for feeling the way you do.It's nice to know that we can agree to disagree without personal attacks and name calling. The future for Perry and Journey should be interesting and I do hope that we all are rewarded as to our desires for Perry and Journey, no matter how we differ.

[Rockindeano]

Thanks everyone for your posts to this poll. I'ts not hard to understand where you all are coming from and for your reasons for feeling the way you do.It's nice to know that we can agree to disagree without personal attacks and name calling. The future for Perry and Journey should be interesting and I do hope that we all are rewarded as to our desires for Perry and Journey, no matter how we differ.

To further and hopefully prove your point HOTS, when you talk of futures, we know Journey plans on going forward, and I for one hope to hear from Mr Perry himself..

[PROPERRY]

I'm fully aware that Perry was replaced & Journey has moved on without him. There will always be a part of me that misses the Journey with Steve Perry, but I would be just as thrilled to have him return solo!!!

Lori

[perryfaithful]

I'm fully aware that Perry was replaced & Journey has moved on without him. There will always be a part of me that misses the Journey with Steve Perry, but I would be just as thrilled to have him return solo!!!

Lori

FOR SURE! But this thread/poll was whether or not Journey should have continued on without Perry.


Yes or No??

[PROPERRY]

I'm fully aware that Perry was replaced & Journey has moved on without him. There will always be a part of me that misses the Journey with Steve Perry, but I would be just as thrilled to have him return solo!!!

Lori

FOR SURE! But this thread/poll was whether or not Journey should have continued on without Perry.


Yes or No??

I guess I didn't make that very clear. I voted NO that Journey should not have continued on without Perry.

Lori

[heardonthestreet]

[yak]

Don't go betting the farm on that solo record, Lori

[heardonthestreet]

I realize that the Journey/Perry fans are at a disadvantage here as most won't post here because of the personal attacks. I had hoped that they might be able to post an opinion without their posts having to be picked apart or dissed.
So far, I think that the poll shows an accurate account of who posts here. You have to give some of us credit for posting in such hostile territory. We are few but we are hardcore Journey fans, meaning that we want only Perry singing the songs. I'm speaking for myself anyway.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I realize that the Journey/Perry fans are at a disadvantage here as most won't post here because of the personal attacks.

And you predicated that on what exactly? Where's your scientific data? If these fans don't post here, how do you know they are afraid to post? How do you know they have even seen this poll? How do you know they even exist?
Oh, you don't know?
So you are pretty much guessing and what your saying is a load of hot trash not to be taken seriously.
Ok. I got it.

So far, I think that the poll shows an accurate account of who posts here. You have to give some of us credit for posting in such hostile territory.

Awww, you brave soldier, you. Want a medal?

We are few but we are hardcore Journey fans, meaning that we want only Perry singing the songs.

Good for you. I'm glad. Now go listen to your Perry albums and stop wasting my bandwith with your incessant bitching.